Phoenix 6 Expert vs Simple - Page 2

daraknor · #11 (**permalink**) 03-14-2007, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by alamanjani

Here is probably typo, should be 'case 240:', right?

case 2400:
W_Trade_PERIOD="H4";
break;

As of Simple Phoenix - I think this is excellent idea!

I had a problem trying to find better settings on latest versions. Probably too much parameters and not enough experience.

Modifying simple Phoenix will mean, modifying signals only. Great! Signals should be the most important and main focus with combination of one trade (mode1). Simple and clean! Also optimization process will be faster. Cool!

Once we have signals optimized, some more experienced can play with advanced settings and fine tune it further.

I'm sure this way will allow us, less experienced to again participate with optimization process. Great!

About alfa, quick question, is it OK, that can't be attached to the chart (stays gray)? Compiling shows no errors.

I like Authumleaves idea, to see the signals and buy/sell points if this is possible.

I also agree with Bertbin.

Mario

Kudos for catching the first bug! Excellent

What do you think of the new trade execution style? I wrote many pieces with the idea that less duplicate but similar lines of code = easier to debug and easier to change.

I was able to attach Phoenix 6 Alpha to a chart, USDCHF M15 as the settings say. I changed settings and did backtesting on USDJPY M15 as well, but I haven't checked other timeframes or currencies beyond that.

daraknor · #12 (**permalink**) 03-14-2007, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bertbin

Let's see what Darak want to do...

After opinion of Darak, ten (or more) have to show up to be "Official Testers (Hu ! Hu !) and fully agree with that rules. Perhaps Darak and/or other people have any ideas ?

For my part I don't care to be the "trailing guy" on P570 to be the "base"

I'd be happy to let Bertbin manage the testing process with whomever he likes. The two systems are supposed to be similar between Phoenix 6 Alpha and Phoenix 5.7.0. I made so many minor changes I don't know if they can "synchronize" at all, but I want to know what the answer is if possible.

I think a priority to figure out among testers would be why alamanjani can't attach Phoenix to a chart. I'm handing it off to you guys for testing, I'll fix bugs and make different versions of Phoenix rapidly.

daraknor · #13 (**permalink**) 03-14-2007, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by autumnleaves

I would like to add extra signals from EASY (see Malone EASY document) to Phoenix. When I try to add the Price Action Channel, the result is exclusively sell transactions. Can you suggest why this might be happening? See the code below.

I looked at the code, and it seemed fine. I stuck it into Phoenix 6 using the code below and I noticed that for my settings LowPAC1 was 0, I had only buy signals.

Code:

int EntrySignal4()
{
    int value=0;
    double HighPAC1 = iMA(NULL,0,P_PACPer,P_PACShift,MODE_SMMA,PRICE_HIGH,0);
    double LowPAC1  = iMA(NULL,0,P_PACPer,P_PACShift,MODE_SMMA,PRICE_LOW,0);
    double haClose1 = (PRICE_OPEN + PRICE_HIGH + PRICE_LOW + PRICE_CLOSE)*(0.25);
    if(haClose1 > HighPAC1) value=1;
    if(haClose1 < LowPAC1) value=-1;
    Debug("Signal4 PAC High:"+HighPAC1+" LowPAC1:"+LowPAC1+" haClose1:"+haClose1);
    return(value);

}

I really like the Debug() system.

I attached the code I wrote for debugging, I'd love to finish the EASY system in the EA system I provided. Many of the features are actually not designed around Phoenix, but to work with nearly any strategy in a framework of code. When this goes to BETA, you'll see most of those features disappear but this core is good for developing other EA.

daraknor · #14 (**permalink**) 03-14-2007, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by wujun122

Daraknor,I will forward test Phoenix 6 Alpha.Oh,I saw the code:extern string U_Trade_CURRENCY = "USDCHF".Could I change it to "USDCHFm"?The reason is that now I forward test Phoenix 5.7.2a in a IBFX Demo mini account,and want to test Phoenix 6 in this account.

Please keep in mind this isn't the entire "Phoenix 6" system, this is just a framework for development with the old Phoenix signals mixed in..

m6m6 · #15 (**permalink**) 03-14-2007, 09:44 PM

I am back from a week at the beach (Phoenix running live in the back ground

) and available for testing. You see, I live in Canada, not on an Island as Bertbin does...

I hope Bertbin will accept to lead the pack and relieve Daraknor from the testing duty !

JRtrader · #16 (**permalink**) 03-15-2007, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by daraknor

Phoenix in the contest brought many people over to the idea that automated trading could be viable. Phoenix as an experts system is a horrible way to introduce it. Phoenix as a simple system doesn't meet my needs, and I imagine many others as well.

Here is my proposal: fork development into two versions. A simple system has only a single trade, only the most basic common exit strategies, but full signal use. (If nothing else, a fast and lightweight EA useful for signal optimization.) The expert system would use the complete template, but not all possible functions are programmed at release. Settings similar to mode 3 will be available, multiple simultaneous trades, confirmation signals to adjust lot size based on signal data, etc.

I have been thinking of "how do I satisfy as many users as possible?" and I think this is the best way. I'm interested in any and all reactions to this separation. I welcome flames and constructive suggestions.

daraknor

I'm still relatively new to MT4 EAs, though have demoed up to 5 potentially profitable ones in some depth (compared realtime with backtests) for the past 6 months. They were relatively easy to implement, so when I discovered Phoenix I though it would be the same. Hmmm, rather more difficult...

So I heartily endorse your idea and welcome any efforts to make Phoenix more useable to the masses.

Looking forward to Phoenix Simple BETA and many thanks for your wealth of contribution to Phoenix.

JRtrader

bertbin · #17 (**permalink**) 03-15-2007, 02:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daraknor

I'd be happy to let Bertbin manage the testing process with whomever he likes. The two systems are supposed to be similar between Phoenix 6 Alpha and Phoenix 5.7.0. I made so many minor changes I don't know if they can "synchronize" at all, but I want to know what the answer is if possible.

I think a priority to figure out among testers would be why alamanjani can't attach Phoenix to a chart. I'm handing it off to you guys for testing, I'll fix bugs and make different versions of Phoenix rapidly.

Ok Darak
Will need at least 10 "good traders" or volonteers (more are welcome!) to Test P6.

Rules :
Brooker : FXDD stable brooker (why ? We are not testing brooker(s) but Phoenix !)
K : 5000 (around) leverage 100:1
P6 : 24/24 5 trading days/5
Cur USD CHF
TF 15
Detailed reports every 24 hours posted here
Starting : to morrow 12h00 GMT
For this firts week we are NOT testing settings BUT stability of Poenix
Then during 1 week every "incident" as to be immediatly reported here with detailed statement, copy of alerts, copy of journal. If bugs identified reports it immediatly, even i you have a doubt
"Testers" should post here "I am in" no more and start process.
Autumn : you let me know that you have 6 Pc on line to test : go on !
And start back test too as you like on the standard settings of USD CHF
Any questions ?any ideas ? : let me know. I am not chief only acting...
ejlamarque : ok start to morrow 12 GMT
Wujun : same
Mario : same
AZBO : leave a while mother in law.... open new demo account on FFXD and let's go !
For all: leshammond, hhsmoney, gforce, frank, whizzo, jb007, xolosis.....: let's go ! Let's go ! Let's go !
Thanks M6M6 about the nice island I live... But Canada not too bad !!!!Maudit Canadien !!!! (joking !) Well for sure you belong to the group of "top five testers" !

COME GUYS !!!!!! HOLY GRAIL IS NEAR !!!!
But for the moment we have to work....

autumnleaves · #18 (**permalink**) 03-15-2007, 03:20 AM

Sorry for the misunderstanding Bert. I meant that between myself and two friends, we can test perhaps 5 brokers with 5 installations total. I could put all 5 installations on my own machine if necessary.

But since we are not testing brokers, I put one installation on FXDD, and ask each friend to do the same. Is that OK?

Daraknor: I would like if if you could check Phoenix 6 one final time and put a test version online so we all start with the best available.

autumnleaves · #19 (**permalink**) 03-15-2007, 03:24 AM

Thanks for the comments Daraknor. The reason that I get sells and not buys with the PAC signal is that I reverse all the Buy/Sell signals in order to convert Phoenix to a trending system.

But I need clarification regarding your conclusion. Is there a bug in this code that limits it to either long or short transactions, or did I miss something somewhere? How can the problem be corrected?

bertbin · #20 (**permalink**) 03-15-2007, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by autumnleaves

Sorry for the misunderstanding Bert. I meant that between myself and two friends, we can test perhaps 5 brokers with 5 installations total. I could put all 5 installations on my own machine if necessary.

But since we are not testing brokers, I put one installation on FXDD, and ask each friend to do the same. Is that OK?

Daraknor: I would like if if you could check Phoenix 6 one final time and put a test version online so we all start with the best available.

No problem Autunm !

Ok go on with FXDD and start test on P6.