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:: Mancai, if there isn't any issue with the owner, please ask the owner for his original code & post it... posting decompiled versions result only in getting labeled as bad intentions.
u r right, actually too many ppl in that forum, i asked b4, but no reply.
I admit this indicator help me a lot, i just wish can be put inside main chart windows. just a simple thing, but it seems like make a lot of misunderstanding here, I apologize.
I did sent a massage to you, please have a look, I am not come for argue or decompile ppl EA and ask help from here.
this indicator really share by owner in his thread, if u guys instead want to say i steal EA and ask help from here, i have nothing to say.
Mancai
If thats the case, ask the author of the code to make the changes for you. If he is making the source code aviable to all he will not mind. The way I see it any decompiled code is a violation of the author's copyright, period. If the moderator of this forum also repected the authors rights to their work that downloaded code would (should) be REMOVED from this forum. Ask why now; that the ones that can code will not make their work available.
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ANY DECOMPILED CODE IS A VIOLATION OF COPYRIGHTS.
Last edited by cockeyedcowboy; 10-18-2008 at 02:11 PM.
member has an infraction due the overdose of reports.
But we need to be pragmatic and not for the only decompiling action you're violating copyrights.
First, yes or yes, the code needs to have a patent from any patent office in the world.
Just after the code (product, logarithm, dna sequence, thing, idea, whatever) has the patent is protected for any copyright law around to world because no matter country almost all have signed the international copyrights agreements. If no patent, so sorry.
You can't claim you have copyrights over something if you're not the patent owner. That's the way the thing (and the world) works.
eg: You write a book. Do you have ISBN for that book? yes or no?. No, sorry the book writer could be anybody.
Btw, why coders that claim to be so good keeps posting ex4 files while decompilation is so easy?
If I was so good as some of them claims I would write my indicators using another tools with at least AES encryption.
A friend who is a really good coder is teaching me about how to do that. Is not hard and it works. Have you tried to decompile a Windows library?
member has an infraction due the overdose of reports.
But we need to be pragmatic and not for the only decompiling action you're violating copyrights.
First, yes or yes, the code needs to have a patent from any patent office in the world.
Just after the code (product, logarithm, dna sequence, thing, idea, whatever) has the patent is protected for any copyright law around to world because no matter country almost all have signed the international copyrights agreements. If no patent, so sorry.
You can't claim you have copyrights over something if you're not the patent owner. That's the way the thing (and the world) works.
eg: You write a book. Do you have ISBN for that book? yes or no?. No, sorry the book writer could be anybody.
Btw, why coders that claim to be so good keeps posting ex4 files while decompilation is so easy?
If I was so good as some of them claims I would write my indicators using another tools with at least AES encryption.
A friend who is a really good coder is teaching me about how to do that. Is not hard and it works. Have you tried to decompile a Windows library?
Linuxser
I beleive you are unclear in your above post. CopyRight and Patents are two different things. a book or any writen document has an author and the the author has a right to his writtings. A patent is on a design, operation, etc.. and that needs to be registered to be good. Copyrights on the other hand has no such requirement if the author has no intention to make public. If I were to mail you a letter, the copy of the letter is yours but the witings of the letter is still belongs to me. If you publish that letter I can have recourse against you as I did not intend to publish it. Any of my writings are considered part of my private library and are protected by copyright laws.
Dont know what your trying to say in the above post, but if the code, as this one in question, is clearly been decompiled it should be considered illegally gotten. As for posting any of my writings I consider it in line with posting my bank account numbers or even the name of any company I have accounts with. I will not do it, the only time I transfer code is in private. I have ask why you dont have a means of private rooms in this forum it was for this very issue, I am not so much concern with someone decompiling some thing for their own private and personal use, although still illegal, my main objection is the ones that do it to later profit from it by selling it to others as their work.
I was going to post my time library a while back but have not done so why? Plan and simple; The library was to good to give others, and have them sell it as their work. I am good and theres others that are better programers along with many more that have stoped posting over the years because for this very issue.
Keit
Last edited by cockeyedcowboy; 10-18-2008 at 06:06 PM.
I beleive you are unclear in your above post. CopyRight and Patents are two different things. a book or any writen document has an author and the the author has a right to his writtings. A patent is on a design, operation, etc.. and that needs to be registered to be good. Copyrights on the other hand has no such requirement if the author has no intention to make public. If I were to mail you a letter, the copy of the letter is yours but the witings of the letter is still belongs to me. If you publish that letter I can have recourse against you as I did not intend to publish it. Any of my writings are considered part of my private library and are protected by copyright laws.
Dont know what your trying to say in the above post, but if the code, as this one in question, is clearly been decompiled it should be considered illegally gotten. As for posting any of my writings I consider it in line with posting my bank account numbers or even the name of any company I have accounts with. I will not do it, the only time I transfer code is in private. I have ask why you dont have a means of private rooms in this forum it was for this very issue, I am not so much concern with someone decompiling some thing for their own private and personal use, although still illegal, my main objection is the ones that do it to later profit from it by selling it to others as their work.
I was going to post my time library a while back but have not done so why? Plan and simple; The library was to good to give others, and have them sell it as their work. I am good and theres others that are better programers along with many more that have stoped posting over the years because for this very issue.
Keit
Hi buddy. I'm just talking about the legal view. If somebody pretends to have the copyrights or patent about something is for some reason like money, public recognition, premiums, the only desire to be considered the author, so on.
If author does not have any petition about why wants to have the rights about such thing there is no sense in claim copyrights.
Legally, copyrights or patents have almost same approach, you need to have proof that you're the author. And the only way to do that is to register or to gather enough material to pretend being the original author. In both cases that proofs needs to be shown on a court to get a sentence that allows you the manger of the rights.
Without a court sentence there wouldn't have been a punitive action coming from the state which have the monopoly of public force and it's the only allow to shall justice. And justice is what the author that feels his rights has been damaged is looking for.
As you write: as this one in question, is clearly been decompiled it should be considered illegally gotten.
And you're fully right. Original author needs to have the proof to probe that a crime has been committed. Proofs are basis of modern legal systems and the state of rights.
Otherwise we could sentence a man for murder just because somebody claims he's a murder.
Also: If I were to mail you a letter, the copy of the letter is yours but the writings of the letter is still belongs to me.
That's depends on the contract between you and the mail provider and I and the email prvider.
If that letter was sent by hotmail the rights belongs to Microsoft
PD:
I'm very happy to have this talk besides forex, indicators, codes.
I have seen many forums bit the dust because they let in members that have no moral back bone. Anything and everything was permitted. At one actually were publishing your home phone number on your profile page, for everone to see. Talk about no respect.
Take a look at the attached screen shot. My last visit there was a year ago, been a member at that forum sence day one and before at there sister forum MoneyTec I beleive sence 2002. left there because of their policies or lack of them. Most members I knew there are also gone, some have moved here others have gone to private and other forums. Theres few members left to give any advice or insite as a result that fourm has died a thousand deaths, one for each serior member that left.
I went to some of those new posts and there, were response to post that were a year old. that is, the question was possed a year ago which toke almost a year to get a reply. Talk about wating for paint to dry. You dont have to beleive this but look at the screen shot again at my last visit date and look at the new posts sence my last visit thats a little more then 100 posts a month. Your forum draws more then that on a bad day.
Without the pool of older members, ones with a veriaty of talents, a forum will not last. SBFX shows over 50,000 members but only 1000 are listed as active members with the most members on line in one day as 35. Thats not a good retention rate. Talk about not respect.
This is my last post on this subject,
Keit
edit look they have a triple screen display (TSD) too.
Last edited by cockeyedcowboy; 10-19-2008 at 01:22 AM.
edit look they have a triple screen display (TSD) too.
Buddy I just was talking about the legals aspects and the possible legal approach to the question. Just that.
As you know by my nick I'm related with linux but more than software only, Free Software, Open Souce, GNU, Copyleft, DMCA ...
I'm on email lists and forums where we discuss things like this all the time.
I really like to discuss thing slike this and I thought you where interested in the legal approach. My mistake.
Btw: Forum is very strict with the policies about pirated/decompiled material.
Bud, we are talking about the same thing. I was just pointing out that when people are allowed in as in this case with obvious decompled code, it will lower the standards of the forum as a whole. and if the admens of the forum dont have respect of the members and let things like this to exist along with spam and out right scams then the experenced people will leave. This forum does a better job then most but when the forum gets bigger and better the trash has a habbit of getting deeper. You cant police every thing but when something as obvious as decompile code its not open source it was a compiled executable. If it was open source there will have been no need to decompile it.
The other day on this forum I read a post that was using the Microsoft logo on the advetisment of his product and from the content of his post I would say he did not have MS premission to use it. I have a friend that is a publisher of a weekly magazine. He almost got in troble for running an add in the magazine were the Oscar statue saw used. He did not create the add the client submitted it. What saved him was he requires a release from all clients that they have any and all permissions with respect to eht adds copy.
The internet is a little different because its open and most information is free. everone thinks that it can be used as one pleases. If Rob Booker were to write an ebook as he has done many times already and puts it out on the internet as free does that give me the right to make changes to it and resubmit it or sell it as my original work Without any recourse? and what is the liablity of the medium used, in this case the forum? Possible the forum would have no liablity for any violation of copyrights but out of respect of its members the forum should elimiate the obveous copyright and trademark violations. My above post was pointing out that if the forum has no respect for its members it will slowly die as the forum is only as good as its ability to retain active members.
Keit
Last edited by cockeyedcowboy; 10-19-2008 at 04:44 AM.
ok, just let this issue end like this.
I just posted an indicator which downloaded from owner website
and I am not good in MQL4, so I also donno this is decompiled indicator
sorry for all, I donno thing will be so serious and complicated
hope u guys can accept my apologize