The fact is that most EA's for sale on eBay also have a high "Satisified Customer" rating, but this belies the generally accepted belief (correct, IMO) that practically none of them are actually profitable in a realistic sense.

Which implies that its rating system is open to manipulation and should be viewed with suspicion...

Wookey

In my experience on the forums, there are only two to three professional coders around.These are programmers who will give a professional service before commencing work,during coding and after the job is delivered.I don't think most of you know the meaning of service ,let alone know the meaning of professional service.

Service means responding to enquiries within 48 hours ,asking questions before coding and rectifying any ommisions and misunderstandings after the job is delivered.

Most coders on this forum do not respond within 48 hours and dissapear for weeks and months after seeing people's work.Any Hacker can make claims on the forum , that I am a programmer and I work for big money..............but in the end it is the service u give that makes a professional programmer, even if the service means telling a customer PROMPTLY....."sorry I can not work for u or I can not work for this money".I suggest you guys quit this monkey buiness with your future customers

You are not the only one but there are others offering to write Expert Advisors for $50 ,then showing their incompetence on the forums.Only primitive MONKEY services behave like that.

I am not going to name anybody specific but I am sure u can all raise your standards of service and coding in the future.Let us see an improvement in the standards of service.

I have had jobs redone , these jobs were done by people claiming to be professional programmers in their signatures

It is easier to apologise to a potential customer and make him happy, rather than not responding and keeping him waiting and frustrated for weeks while he anxiously awaits a response from the coder.Customer is also commited to not giving out his system whilst it is with one coder awaiting a response from the coder.This delay sets the customer back several months

OILFXPRO

Oilfxpro,

Please show me where I offer my service? You won't find on this or other forums any advertisement of it. And who told you I offered writing an EA for 50$? You have never used my service and blame me for being not responsible and incompetent. Please talk about your experience. Forex_fot_life contacted me through private messages of this forum not through my site, where I have various forms of contact: e-mail, webform, phone, fax; my company also has real address, bank account and office. I rarely visit this forum, so I can't promise I will read all the private messages here. The administrator of this forum can confirm, that I haven't even read the latest messages of Forex_for_life. Several times I offered a free help to code people strategies from this site and sometimes still receive requests for coding in private box. Sorry to guys who wrote me in private box and never received a reply, I rarely visit this site and think now I will stop visiting it at all. I wanted to talk with other coders but received offends from people who don't even know me.

Wookey

Wookey

I never blamed you for being irresponsible or anything.

I stated quite clearly there are others offering to write Expert Advisors for $50 ,then showing their incompetence on the forums

Maybe this guy is a learner , but I am not going to defame him by naming the person

If you are good programmer continue with your service on this forum and elsewhere and show us your high standards of service.Are we asking for too much for a paid service?

OILFXPRO

Newdigital started this thread by other reasons but I´m finding quite important for our forum and our new Marketplace Service.

Based on ideas posted here we can think how to offer a better service, modify what we have today and implement new ideas. Like the escrow service (thanks wookey).

Most important, it helps to identify swindlers.

I have many PM´s by some people who wants to sell into the MP, but avoiding the idea that only well known products/services will be candidates we need to protect both sides.

We need to protect good programmers from people that stole their code because it´s open source and then try to sell the indicator/EA´s as executable only.

And we need to protect clients/members from people that believe because they know mql4 they could code something that really works.

Unfortunately too many believe free software is the same as open source and also believes it can do whatever they want with the code.

eBay is a good place to protect swindlers but we need to think different, we need to protect our members before and we need to preserve or forum reputation.

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Linuxser,

This is a hard task you are going to undertake, hard but achievable. First, I think you should put aside the idea of creating your own escrow service, at least for now. It requires a lot of investments, mainly in goodwill. I believe you can think about partnering with any good escrow service and try to get a special offer for the community.

Your idea of Marketplace is interesting but admission process is unclear. What's about new services? Are you shutting the doors before them? What does it mean that only well-known products/services will be candidates? If you look at forexbastards you'll see that many services have opposite feedbacks. How do you decide if it's a right candidate?

Wookey

I must interject my thoughts on this matter. I know a few coders, and a couple of system engineers, and know that the in formation given to them for a build must be specific. If the customer does not know the specifics of what they want the indicator, or EA to do, and how they want it to do it, and with what time frame, and on and on and on, Then the coder has to guess at what they want. If the process works, then the coder is a genious, if it doesn't , then they are no good. The coder can only do what the customer asks, so if you want something done, think it through as though you were a coder. Know what you want, and what ways you want to get there. The coder can then make recomendations on choices. IMO, it is the customer that faults the building process, and expects more than can be delivered on the limited information given to the coders.

Piperesponse,

Yes this is one of the problems, the second is that not all manual systems can be automated. Not all traders can understand that SEE pattern and PROGRAM it are very different tasks. I like trading Drummond Geometry, but it requires to use anticipation as part of decision process and this makes it not possible to program.

Hi,

First I want to change the word "you" fir "we" because we´re a team .

I´m not talking about create in plain language just as "good idea" to discuss.
We´re partnering with some companies to develop our Marketplace and we´re open to new ideas, this could be one as a service.
A programmer could choose to safeguard their services by choosing the escrow option from others.

We´re not closing the doors, just adding some filter to keep the forum reputation. We don't want the members would be scammed by something they buy in our Markeplace.

And the best filter is the forum itself. We already know who is a good programmer or trader because his time in the forum doing the right thing serves as probe.
But if tomorrow, some John Doe wants to sell their products we´re going to ask: who are you? where is your work? and this like that.

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Wookey,

No one is trying to "offend" you. Please check the dictionary to determine the definition of the word. I simply stated facts. If they offended you, that's is not my issue but something within your psychology.

1st fact: I DID send you my ideas for an e.a. Entries, exits, etc.

2nd fact: You failed to reply to my messages after that point. THAT is the reason I never sent the indicators to be corrected.

3rd fact: You haven't answered as to why you did so, not that you are required to but as a "professional", it doesn't exactly improve upon your reputation.

4th fact: If you "didn't want to work" with me, you could've simply said so instead of ignoring my messages like a juvenile and all this would've been non-existent.

5th fact: I intended to compensate you if you so wished but you never mentioned it.

I encourage you to be adult about it and recognize the errors in your ways so that you can correct them and proceed w/ your life.

As was stated earlier in this thread by ND (I think), there are few serious MT4 programmers who have stood the test of time and contributed as much freely as much for which they've charged.

Bluto
CodersGuru
Michel
Igorad
MLaden

to name a few

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