Bravo OILFXPRO. My point exactly! Couldn't have said it better myself.

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"A successful speculator bases no moves on what supposedly will happen but reacts instead to what does happen."

Max Gunther

I did, indeed, contact you thru PM on this site. Fact of the matter is you was posting on different threads AFTER I sent you NUMEROUS messages. So your arguement is therefore flawed. Unless amenesia is something that ails you, you knew we were having an on-going discussion about the topic and if I remember correctly, until you check your unread messages, TSD displays a big banner from the left to the right side of your screen reminding you of such. (Thank God for ingenious programming) Would it have been so difficult to say " I rarely visit this forum, so I can't promise I will read all the private messages here." or "I have no interest in working w/ you". Just plain rude. How you generate business handling affairs in such a manner, I'll never know. And fix your fragile ego and keep it moving. If you took offense to someone stating FACTS, then not replying to PM's is the least of your problems, bro. Besides, it's not as if you was just oh so active on this board in the first place.

I'm sorry ND and everyone else on this thread and this board but it a tad irritating when someone acts as if they are w/o flake or flaw. All the great ones are tough-skinned anyway. That's how they seperate themselves from the "good" ones.

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"A successful speculator bases no moves on what supposedly will happen but reacts instead to what does happen."

Max Gunther

Forex_for_life,

Before writing all of these you should have thought that I could post our conversation. Then people would find out that your messages did not contain any EA specification, that I was polite with you and explained where in my opinion the error in indicators you wanted to fix was, that my latest post in this forum before posts in this thread was on January 9, while your message came on 12th, so there were no "NUMEROUS messages" after it, in fact there was not any. People would also be interested to know that you were going to share indicators with me which you were not supposed to share.

Seriously, what are you trying to achieve? I do not offer any service on this site and am not going to, so you can't blacklist me. I am here for fun, to look for ideas and indicators, but I do not look for clients here. You can't blame me for not providing a service which I do not provide.

Wookey

LOL, this is so funny people trying to knock on Wookey. The guy doesn't need to ask for clients, they come to find him from various resources, including me who refers others to him that I know won't be a pain in the butt for him to work with.

FWIW, I just looked and noticed I had a few unread PM's in my inbox from over a month ago, and I visit almost daily. Not everyone is obsessive about checking their PM's...

This is so true. I used to be a client of Beluck's (btw, great programmer). I used to be one of those that only had a general idea but not a complete system. At the time, I thought Beluck could work magic and make it work although I had obviously left out alot of variables. Now that I have had my hand in coding (just 1 step above a Cut&Paster) I now know how important it is to be specific. Are all the if-then statements included to reflect all potential conditions? If not, then the EA might not work as you would like it too. Remember your end product will only be as good as your specifications.

If you give lousy specs, it's not the coders fault. It's yours. The coder has still put in the time to do the work, they should be paid. How would you like it if your boss all of the sudden decided to not give you a paycheck for you work last week? Morally, it's the same thing!

There are tons of coders out there. A lot of them will tell you that they can code anything. A lot of them can't. There are wannabe coders and there are the professionals that code nonEA projects in their other life. Coders are a different breed of people. They speak and think differently.

If your initial communication with them does not leave you with a good feeling, don't use them. I've worked with some coders that did good stuff but communication was poor. Some of it has to do with language barriers. It's really important for a coder to explain back to you what you have requested of them. This will help get you on the same page. If you're not on the same page, you will never get what you wanted. Communication is key. Your project will have a greater likelihood to "succeed", get finished according to the specs (not neccessarily profitable) and finished on time if you're using someone that has professional experience. If they are professionals, they should do a better job managing the project and getting the info that they need from you. Ask to see projects that they have done in the past. Working with a professional doesn't guarantee that it will be a headache free experience but it will certainly be better than working with a wannabe.

You will really be doing yourself a big favor to start reading a bunch of EAs out there. Familiarize yourself with code. Got to metaquotes site and read the articles. Knowledge will help you can follow along with what your coder is doing and might enable you to see why your EA is not operating as you would like it to.

I would really hate to see this thread turn into a big flaming war. I just hope that coders and past clients can show restraint before posting negative comments about anyone. There's usually 2 sides of a story.

I know that some people are just scammers. They exist on both sides of the fence. It just seems that a BlackList is very severe. I like how Rent-A-Coder does their ratings. There's enough coders here that I'm sure someone could whip up something along that type of framework. It would be very cool to see a something like that for EAs. Coders and users both get rated.

I would encourage you to do so. If I hadn't erased it from my inbox/outbox then I would have already done it. I'll reiterate: I sent screenshots and explained my entries and exits logic. For the record, I never said you wasn't polite during our interaction. Just that you hadn't respond and didn't do so following the numerous attempts on my part. My conotation of the word is more than 2. So yes it was numerous as far as I'm concerned. And yes, you asked about me giving you the GoldenEye indicator and I said in the post that it was part of a system from FX_Cruiser that wasn't to be shared and for a moment I had a temporary lapse in judgement and said I would consider sharing it w/ you in exchange for you CODING THE E.A. for me. However, after I sent that message, I chatted w/ a friend of mine (thanks MPower) and he helped me come to my senses and I decide I wasn't going to share it after all. It would have been a mistake and lucky for me it was averted before I had a Freudian slip. I'm human and I can admit I have flaws unlike some i.e. you. No shame in my game. Fact of the matter is, you don't have the indicator, at least not from me.

The ONLY reason I contacted you is because I remembered in one of your few post that you was discussing w/ Bluto (who's 10x's the coder you'll EVER be) about what went into his Delta setup and you said you worked w/ Jurik's and in other post you offered to help folks so I thought just maybe you had some sense and substance. Boy was I wrong. Thing happen for a reason and you not responding was just an intervening by the powers that be, preventing me from dealing w/ another wanna-be hack coder

My goal IS NOT to get you blacklisted. I couldn't care less what you do and what happens to you. I'm just giving a real world example that just like it's some shady clients , it's some shoddy programmers. Not just in the technical sense either. What's the purpose of offering assistance if you aren't going to follow thru. Guess that's "for fun" too, huh? I can't blame you for not providing your services in open market but I can blame you for being deceitful and of bad character.

Good luck w/ all future endeavors.

Yo Scotty,

You really are "dipping in the Kool-Aid, and don't know the flavor". Nobody's trying to knock anyone. Just conveyed my personal experience w/ Wookey. Funny how people confuse fact and opinion. Also, how people run to their buddy's side not knowing whether or not the said buddy is innocent or guilty. All they know is that it's their buddy. Case in point. Just as I said Wookey was polite, if he's any kind of man, he can do the same and admit that I never was a "pain in the butt to work with", even after he didn't respond to my numerous attempts. I didn't curse or get out-of-pocket w/ him.

And for the record, not only did I send him a few PM's, I respond on a thread on which he posted so it could be seen publicly just in case he did miss the P.M.'s. I was going to also post on another thread on which he had recently commented but figured it was a practice in futility and had let it go.

Link: To coder/developer: I will pay for this

In closing, next time, do your due diligence before you go defending your buddy because he just might have done the crime

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"A successful speculator bases no moves on what supposedly will happen but reacts instead to what does happen."

Max Gunther

For someone who is not out to "knock" someone, insulting him (either directly or by implication) 3-4 times as you have just done would suggest otherwise! As Wookey will testify, I have had no dealings with him in the past, but to me at least, you are coming across as someone who has just divulged the secret of eternal life to someone, and he's just done a runner! - whereas in reality it just a case of someone not responding when you more or less insisted he should do so.

Time to get a bit of perspective and ease up on the insults...

Programing skils for sale.

Here u took sides with the ever dissapearing act of Optimu

OILFXPRO

Forex_for_life,

You are compensating lack of arguments with personal offenses, that's not good. And you still think, or at least trying to present it so, that you were talking to a programming service, while you were not. While I do have a programming service, I don't offer it openly on this forum. On this forum I am just a regular member and you were talking with the same member as you are. You just decided to ask me privatedly rather than in open forum. I helped you when I had time and stopped when I had not anymore. And note that I did not promise or offer you anything. Would you blame anyone who quits a duscussion on the forum?
You only showed to everyone a good example of shady client not shoddy programmer.

Wookey

Oilfxpro,

That's funny. You claimed that you had real bad experience with programmers and instead of telling us who are the bastards, you are trying to catch me in a word. Ok. If you have nothing better to do. I don't see any offer in my post. It was just an idea of starting on this site a development exchange similar to Rent-A-Coder that was not supported by other developers. I wrote my variant of rules and asked for suggestions, that's all. Until now, no one thought it was an offer of programming service.

Wookey