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Old 04-06-2009, 12:13 AM
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When you open an account with us then you are giving us your consent to move from LP to LP
thanks for your transparency, but it's for me a redhibitory aspect why i don't want to make a deal with your company.
Sorry, good luck.
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Old 04-06-2009, 12:25 AM
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MaXeY,

No plans at all to change the execution.

Instant execution means that you send the order to the Broker and they get to choose whether to accept it or not. If they don't accept it then a requote is generated. This is an MT4 function for Dealing Desks. We don't have one.

With us when you send your order it goes straight to the LP where it is filled.

Instant Execution on MT4 means Dealing Desk.


Duxis,

I understand completely. Thanks and good luck to you too.

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Old 04-06-2009, 12:42 AM
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hi

Where's your contact us link on your site and the real address /phone number of your office ?

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Old 04-06-2009, 12:50 AM
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prasxz,

The contact details are all in the Account .PDF download document and soon to be in the FAQ which should be updated later today with a few more questions and answers. An oversight on our part soon to be rectified.

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during the news events hows the spread avg... not crazy like 10-30 pips?
execution on news time 1 seconds ? or delay 5-20 seconds and then fills the order or the Top.
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Old 04-06-2009, 10:33 AM
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Hi,

it is good to see some new attemps for offering a different type of service as a broker than the traditional schema.

Of course it will remind to the readers of this forum the bad experience with allecohfx. But until anyone has anything to raise some suspicion, you should at least have the benefit of the doubt. So let's see how it goes on.

I have few questions:

could you give us more info on your company. I saw that it is registered in Delaware but for instance what are the assets of the company, who is involved in managing the company...

you mentioned that an account can be opened with $100 but (correct me if I am wrong) it seems that the minimal monthly fee is $47. Of course the fee is more linked to volume than account balance but still you need to have a reasonnable ratio between account and fees. if the monthly fee is $47 probably it wouldn't be wise to have an account lower than $5000. Do you have any comment on that?

About the LPs. Is there any limit in the companies that could be used as LP. Would it be possible to have a list of all the possible LP that could be currently considered as LP candidates. (my point being that if you open an account with funds at Deutche Bank and 1 month later that is transfered to a company in some fiscal paradise island that would be extremly scary)

Thanks
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Old 04-06-2009, 11:20 AM
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MaXeY,

Please don't think I am lecturing, but this is an important point and I thank you for pointing it out.

During high periods of volatility, such as news, then many (possible all Dealing Desk) Brokerages widen the spread greatly. The have to.

The reason is because they are always on the other side of your trade and they want the best advantage they can get. So if you place a trade with them they'll hold it until they can work out a way of positioning themsleves in a way as to profit the best (hence the delays). If they quoted normal pricing (unwidened spreads) then they would be exposed to the potential of many traders suddenly making large amounts of fast money, which means that given that they are on the other side of the trade, then they lose.

The spread widening is a protective measure to try and ensure that their exposure is minimal. After all, news is news. We've all seen pricing spike high then low. Their dealers, even their automated dealers have a hard time of working our how best to transact with their customers orders.

I know that sounds paranoid. But I assure you it is common practice.

So to answer your question. Our spreads widen in tune with the 'real' market (minimally). I'd encourage you to download the ShowSpreads EA that I posted on our site and apply it to a chart during news. It will save every quote to a file, so you can review the spread fluctuations for yourself.

As for execution. Nothing changes during news. If you place a market order and the 'real' market moves then you are going to get slipped. But you will get filled and in the same manner as during regular trading.

If I haven't answered your question fully then please let me know.
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Old 04-06-2009, 12:02 PM
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jlpi,

I myself am not up to speed at all with allecohfx so I can't comment. But I'll do some homework so that I don't appear ignorant next time.

I appreciate your comment about the benefit of the doubt, thank you.

In this 'industry' the trust factor is huge. We clearly have a big battle on our hands overcoming that. Nevertheless, trading is a risky business. So no matter what I say here or what is on our own web site then we still fully advocate that every trader does their own due dilligence on any Broker. If we don't meet the traders requirements then so be it. We are more than happy to accept that. We don't have a target number of traders we need to sign up every month else we don't eat

As to your questions.

The Collective FX LLC is a brand new entity, maybe 6 weeks old. It was created solely to facilitate us offering this 'Brokerage' service to people outside of our trading group.

As we've tried really hard to stress, we are not a big corporate entity. We are in fact a small group of system autotraders who created the technology infrastructure that allows us to trade in the way we want to. The Brokerage offering is secondry to that.

We have no staff other than ourselves. Our accounts process is being outsourced directly to our accountants. So money transfers, compliance etc, is going through them.

Our technology is supported by a 24/5 service contract which makes sure that our servers, data feed and bridging software is all looked after.

We personally all trade from a datacentre where our own trade servers are housed, so we are very particular about the technology that we use.

In terms of assets, then the company has next to none. Everything we have was put together before the Brokerage became even an idea. The costs associated with our support etc. are all costs that we as traders were bearing. We considered them our cost of business, in the same way that retail traders consider the spread as a cost of business.

As far as operating overhead is concerend we are lean. No sales people, no support staff, no nothing.

Accounts issues are routed accordingly. Technology issues all deal with in the same way. The only thing that we have needed to do for the Brokerage, over and above what we ourselves were doing, was to provide an 'Emergency' contact number for members.

This number routes to all of our cell phones, on a first to pick up basis. If there are ever any emergency issues then a member can call us. For example, if a member loses his power supply and wants to ensure that he is FLAT then he/she can call and we can flatten them over the phone.

In summary, we are exactly what we try and put accross. We are simply a small group of autotraders who have created the best trading environment we could.

If anyone wants the comfort of a huge corporation with zillions of staff, giving away a free car every month in competions etc. then we are NOT for them.

The minimum account size is indeed $100, actually we should have made that $150 to be more realistic. The reason we say this is because again the trust issue comes into play. We thought it would be good for new members to deposit a small amount and test that our demo and live platforms do actually perform the same. Rather than having to deposit a big chunk of cash only to find out that we were full of the proverbial.

$100 is the absoute minimum that is required to open a single mini sized lot position, 100:1 margin and all. So $100 is optimistic, given that a single pip of drawdown precludes the entering of any further trades. $150 is more reasonable, that way there's a $50 or 50 pip drawdown buffer built in.

The $47 fee really has no bearing on the $100 minimum deposit at all. Clearly it wouldn't be economically viable to spend $47 to trade a single mini lot.

As for the account size itself relative to the $47 fee, then as far as we are concerned then that is a matter for the individual to address. Money management is a crucial factor in trading in my opinion. 100:1 margin means that you only need $100 dollars in your account for each and every mini lot position that is opened. Does that mean that you should fully leverage yourself? My answer is not the important one.

As to the Liquidity Providers. I can't provide a list of who may or may not be on the list in the future over and above the ones already listed earlier in the thread. I can't do it because I don't know. But, if there is one thing that you can categorically quote me on, even take me to court over if I ever misrepresent this issue, is that anyone we EVER trade with as the LP will be fully fully fully registed/regulated in the US. Our own trading money is on the line too. Where your money goes then so does our own. We will NEVER go outside of the mainstream LP's in the US, Period.

I have a habit of being verbose, sorry for that. I haven't yet mastered the art of precis.

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Old 04-07-2009, 05:46 PM
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What about funding / withdrawals?
Do you/will you accept Paypal?
Is there any plan to allow for micro lots?

Paypal+micro lots would be something that is currently a deal breaker for me.

I checked out your page, and to me it seems informative and - as you explained - focus is on trading benefits, not a nice page and car giveaway every month...

Keep up the good work!
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Old 04-08-2009, 07:27 AM
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1) You wont get instant execution through the provider, as most LP's have dealing desks
2) I understand you have ridiculous fees to actually cover overhead, however I don't see this is sustainable long term. (I have worked for a broker, I know the costs involved, I know interbankspreads and who is able to actually get them, and given the fact that you aren't moving 200mil at a time 0.5 is, and will always be impossible for you to obtain from the interbank).

The allecoh fiasco comes to mind.

Enjoy yourselves, but I will definitely be staying at my bucketshop, at least I know how they work and the dirty tricks they play.
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