Forex



Go Back   Forex Trading > Trading systems > Martingale/Average Cost and Hedging
Forex Forum Register More recent Blogs Calendar Advertising Others Help






Register
Welcome to Forex-TSD!, one of the largest Forex forums worldwide, where you will be able to find the most complete and reliable Forex information imaginable.

From the list below, select the forum that you want to visit and register to post, as many times you want. It’s absolutely free. Click here for registering on Forex-TSD.

Exclusive Forum
The Exclusive Forum is the only paid section. Once you subscribe, you will get free access to real cutting-edge Trading Systems (automated and not), Indicators, Signals, Articles, etc., that will help and guide you, in ways that you could only imagine, with your Forex trading.
  • Elite Section
    Get access to private discussions, specialized support, indicators and trading systems reported every week.
  • Advanced Elite Section
    For professional traders, trading system developers and any other member who may need to use and/or convert, the most cutting-edge exclusive indicators and trading systems for MT4 and MT5.
See more

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #2171 (permalink)  
Old 03-31-2007, 09:18 AM
FutureMillionaire?'s Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: An Englishman living in Scotland, UK
Posts: 336
FutureMillionaire? is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by humax
Multiplier 3.1 is a bit crazy. I thought I was the greedy person in here... hehe
It's not crazy .... or greed. There's a method to my madness....

Think about it, this method (assuming the price is going the wrong way) relies on retracement. You double (normally) your trade in the hope that the price will retrace. The increased stake, then recoups your losses from the previous trades.

Well, what makes this idea fail? The price may well retrace ... but not enough to hit your TP. It then continues on its way .. and you lose. Logically, then, you need to reduce the TP so that a small retracement is all that's needed to lock in your profit..... and what makes that fail? Well, if you only have a small TP, you won't make enough to cover the previous losses.

..... The solution... Increase the multiplier !

Make sense?

Ray.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!StumbleUpon this Post!Reddit this Post!Facebook this Post!BlinkList this Post!Google Bookmarks this Post!Yahoo! My Web this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #2172 (permalink)  
Old 03-31-2007, 09:58 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 363
chrisstoff is on a distinguished road
V12 Test Results NF

Last week I tried out another philosophy of EA backed trading. As far as I have been able to discover there are (at least) two basic conceptions of trading with EAs:
- set and forget,
- use EAs as an itelligent trading tool, i.e. always keep the control in the hand of the trader and request the EA for trading advice and some mechanical operation.

Last week I applied the second approach (usually I use the first). I think the results speak for themselves. I have to remark though, that using this way the trader has to follow the market movement in his head and should try to predict the next probable price movement, etc. So, that method is rather for experienced traders who would not like to glued to the monitor screen all the day but follow the market with attention and intervene when it is needed.

The presets were:
TakeProfit=63
Lots=0.1
InitialStop=1.0
TrailingStop=0
MaxTrades=8
Multiplier=2
Pips=50
AccountProtection=1
OrderstoProtect=5
SecureProfit=50
mm=1
risk=5
AccountisNormal=1
ReverseCondition=0
Fast_MA=14
Slow_MA=26
MACD_SMA=9
Shift=1
Agressive_mode=0
FromHourTrade=0
ToHourTrade=12
Attached Images
File Type: gif V12_NF_0330w.gif (4.5 KB, 152 views)
Attached Files
File Type: htm V12_NF_0330w.htm (9.3 KB, 56 views)
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!StumbleUpon this Post!Reddit this Post!Facebook this Post!BlinkList this Post!Google Bookmarks this Post!Yahoo! My Web this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #2173 (permalink)  
Old 03-31-2007, 10:05 AM
davidke20's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: 38° 53′ 51.61″ N, 77° 2′ 11.58″ W
Posts: 1,492
davidke20 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by forexwoman
My V12 mod made a lot of pips with the news realease
Let me guess, now IT claims that IT has the V12, and telling people IT V12mod is making lot of pips. I'm pretty sure IT will later on post some result and IT will try to sell EA. I dont know whether IT is human/male/female/object, so I use IT.

Regards

David
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!StumbleUpon this Post!Reddit this Post!Facebook this Post!BlinkList this Post!Google Bookmarks this Post!Yahoo! My Web this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #2174 (permalink)  
Old 03-31-2007, 10:17 AM
davidke20's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: 38° 53′ 51.61″ N, 77° 2′ 11.58″ W
Posts: 1,492
davidke20 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by FutureMillionaire?
It's not crazy .... or greed. There's a method to my madness....

Think about it, this method (assuming the price is going the wrong way) relies on retracement. You double (normally) your trade in the hope that the price will retrace. The increased stake, then recoups your losses from the previous trades.

Well, what makes this idea fail? The price may well retrace ... but not enough to hit your TP. It then continues on its way .. and you lose. Logically, then, you need to reduce the TP so that a small retracement is all that's needed to lock in your profit..... and what makes that fail? Well, if you only have a small TP, you won't make enough to cover the previous losses.

..... The solution... Increase the multiplier !

Make sense?

Ray.
There is a way to calculate though. I've done it few months back, hereby to share it. Remember, use at your own risk!

PipStep=30, multiplier=6, Retrace needed=5+1pip to achieve profit
PipStep=30, multiplier=3, Retrace needed=10+1pip to achieve profit
PipStep=30, multiplier=2, Retrace needed=15+1pip to achieve profit
PipStep=30, multiplier=1, Retrace needed=30+1pip to achieve profit

The formula is : PipStep/multiplier=Retrace needed

So, its only a formula to calculate the risk exposure. I've let go of this issue since November thanksgiving day. It appear to be, when the market continue for 120pips spike, I already went margin call. Thats all. Therefor, I'm still working with traditional X2 factor. Anything lower then X2, I will change strategy, may be trendline trader. For indicator relying system, I'll go for traditional martingale.

Regards

David
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!StumbleUpon this Post!Reddit this Post!Facebook this Post!BlinkList this Post!Google Bookmarks this Post!Yahoo! My Web this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #2175 (permalink)  
Old 03-31-2007, 10:21 AM
davidke20's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: 38° 53′ 51.61″ N, 77° 2′ 11.58″ W
Posts: 1,492
davidke20 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisstoff
Last week I tried out another philosophy of EA backed trading. As far as I have been able to discover there are (at least) two basic conceptions of trading with EAs:
- set and forget,
- use EAs as an itelligent trading tool, i.e. always keep the control in the hand of the trader and request the EA for trading advice and some mechanical operation.

Last week I applied the second approach (usually I use the first). I think the results speak for themselves. I have to remark though, that using this way the trader has to follow the market movement in his head and should try to predict the next probable price movement, etc. So, that method is rather for experienced traders who would not like to glued to the monitor screen all the day but follow the market with attention and intervene when it is needed.

The presets were:
TakeProfit=63
Lots=0.1
InitialStop=1.0
TrailingStop=0
MaxTrades=8
Multiplier=2
Pips=50
AccountProtection=1
OrderstoProtect=5
SecureProfit=50
mm=1
risk=5
AccountisNormal=1
ReverseCondition=0
Fast_MA=14
Slow_MA=26
MACD_SMA=9
Shift=1
Agressive_mode=0
FromHourTrade=0
ToHourTrade=12
Chrisstoff,

Since you're experience trader, and I can see you nail the trade very close. You can change the setup as Fast_MA=28, Slow_MA=62, MACD_SMA=18, remain Agressive_mode=false. That is more suitable for your TP, and also making crazy profits in shorter time frame. Good luck.

Regards

David

Last edited by davidke20; 03-31-2007 at 10:37 AM.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!StumbleUpon this Post!Reddit this Post!Facebook this Post!BlinkList this Post!Google Bookmarks this Post!Yahoo! My Web this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #2176 (permalink)  
Old 03-31-2007, 10:36 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 158
InTrance is on a distinguished road
Collaboration

I see some people use a set of EAs. Could someone point me to the right direction (post) of EAs to use with 10 point 3?

Thanks
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!StumbleUpon this Post!Reddit this Post!Facebook this Post!BlinkList this Post!Google Bookmarks this Post!Yahoo! My Web this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #2177 (permalink)  
Old 03-31-2007, 10:53 AM
FutureMillionaire?'s Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: An Englishman living in Scotland, UK
Posts: 336
FutureMillionaire? is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by davidke20
There is a way to calculate though.
The formula is : PipStep/multiplier=Retrace needed
Ah... and I thought I was being so clever. I see you've got this down to a science.

My method is a bit more steam-driven. Try..tweak, try..tweak, try..tweak.....until you have something that works.

x3 seems to work (at least for EURCHF). We'll see how long this continues to behave as the backtest.

Fingers crossed.

Cheers,

Ray.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!StumbleUpon this Post!Reddit this Post!Facebook this Post!BlinkList this Post!Google Bookmarks this Post!Yahoo! My Web this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #2178 (permalink)  
Old 03-31-2007, 11:01 AM
davidke20's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: 38° 53′ 51.61″ N, 77° 2′ 11.58″ W
Posts: 1,492
davidke20 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by FutureMillionaire?
Fingers crossed.

Cheers,

Ray.
Oh! Look! You're #302 post. I've missed the historical new record moment while you're at #300 Anyway, I hope you never see the day it crash. I lost about 30% for the 1st shot when I was multipler 3. The second shot was a margin call on December, 2006. And all these happened on the same account...ermm.... luckily they happened on the same account

Regards

David
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!StumbleUpon this Post!Reddit this Post!Facebook this Post!BlinkList this Post!Google Bookmarks this Post!Yahoo! My Web this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #2179 (permalink)  
Old 03-31-2007, 11:52 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 363
chrisstoff is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by davidke20
Chrisstoff,

Since you're experience trader, and I can see you nail the trade very close. You can change the setup as Fast_MA=28, Slow_MA=62, MACD_SMA=18, remain Agressive_mode=false. That is more suitable for your TP, and also making crazy profits in shorter time frame. Good luck.

Regards

David
Hi David,

Thank you for the advice! I'm about to try the proposed settings next week. Just for checking I understand the other parameters well, I would like to ask:
- should I leave TP=63;
- should I use let's say M15 timeframe?

Regards,

Chrisstoff
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!StumbleUpon this Post!Reddit this Post!Facebook this Post!BlinkList this Post!Google Bookmarks this Post!Yahoo! My Web this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #2180 (permalink)  
Old 03-31-2007, 12:06 PM
davidke20's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: 38° 53′ 51.61″ N, 77° 2′ 11.58″ W
Posts: 1,492
davidke20 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisstoff
Hi David,

Thank you for the advice! I'm about to try the proposed settings next week. Just for checking I understand the other parameters well, I would like to ask:
- should I leave TP=63;
- should I use let's say M15 timeframe?

Regards,

Chrisstoff
The lower TF you trade, the lower TP you take. According to my trading experience, indicator is a set of code that made to detect the price changed from the past to generate a visual indication so we can analyze what to trade. Trading descreetion is the most important thing, whether the indicator is profitable or not, its solely depending on how the trader use it. MACD 28,62,18 trading descreetion is based on heaven and hell. When histogram previous bar jumped from below 0 to above 0, it will trend up... vice versa.

Regards

David
Attached Images
File Type: gif macd1.gif (14.8 KB, 306 views)
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!StumbleUpon this Post!Reddit this Post!Facebook this Post!BlinkList this Post!Google Bookmarks this Post!Yahoo! My Web this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
"USDCAD TERMINATOR", *.mq4, 10 point, 10 point 3, 10 points 3, 10 points 3.mq4, 10 points dynamic stop, 10p3MultiPipStepV001, 10p3v, 10p3v0.02, 10p3v0.03, 10p3v0.04, 10point, 10point expert advisor, 10point3 EA, 10point3 review, 10point3ke20, 10points, 10points 3, 10points 3 ea, 10points 3.mq4, 10points3, 10points3 ea, Account Equity Analyzer, alejandro galindo mq4, center of gravity, Center of Gravity2, Center of Gravity2.ex4, eurox2.mq4, forex, forex mq4, fx_fish_2ma, macd alarm, macd alert, martingale ea, Martingale mq4, mq4 forex, rmi.mq4, scalp net, search, Terminator, Turbo_JRSX.ex4, turbo_jrsx.mq4, turbo_jvel.ex4, USDCAD Terminator, usdcad terminator EA, vhf.mq4, vhf_v1, VHF_v1.mq4, www.autotradingfx.com


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
need help with 10points 3 EA salamdo Expert Advisors - Metatrader 4 2 03-24-2007 02:35 PM


All times are GMT. The time now is 04:42 PM.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 ©2008, Crawlability, Inc.