Forex



Go Back   Forex Trading > Downloads > Expert Advisors - Metatrader 4






Register in Forex TSD!
Trading Systems Leaders in this forum (automated trading systems) are winning more than 3000 pips in a month (30000$ investing one lot every time).
Click here to register and get more information

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 02-04-2007, 05:09 AM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 6
Elfive 9 is on a distinguished road
The top tenets of mechanical trading

1. If you cannot quickly recite the daily, weekly and monthly support & resistance values for any pair you're planning to trade with an EA, you shouldn't be trading.

2. If you can't manually calculate the currency exchange conversion values for any pair you're planning to trade with an EA, you shouldn't be trading.

3. If you cannot read and understand the code of an EA you're planning to trade with, you shouldn't be trading with it.

4. If you haven't learned to successfully trade manually for at least a year or two, you shouldn't be mechanically trading trading with an EA.

5. 99% of all EA's are destined to fail. Some sooner, some later.

6. Technical indicators don't work. They're a big fib to appease retail traders.

7. Knowledge of only price action, a few key patterns, and support/resistance is necessary to trade.

8. If you cannot quickly name the 10 key news events and their dates/times during the upcoming month, you shouldn't be trading.

9. You're worst enemy in trading is your broker.

10. Broker Pip spreads are only a portion of your trade cost. You are regularly gouged by slippage costs. If your EA has a default slippage value of 3, guess what your typical slippage will be? If it's set to 4, guess what your typical slippage will be?

11. The only EA's that will be profitable are the ones that are cleverly designed to out-fox the brokers and other insideous market forces by resorting to tricks, gimmicks, and smoke & mirrors tactics.

12. Any EA's freely available publicly will lose your trading account.

13. 95% of "traders" on public forums are as uneducated as you are about trading. Be wary of free advice.

14. The average trader who is persistent and lucky enough to eventually become a profitable trader regularly will first lose $20K - $30K in the markets and spend another $10K on books, lessons, eBooks, subscriptions and software. The rest will perish somewhere along that path.

15. The amount of time you are "exposed" in the market through active trading, either manually or mechanically, is inversely proportional to your profitability success rate.

16. Two high probability trades yielding 15 pips each and using a lot size of 50 is all you need each week.



I have more if you'd like to hear them.

Last edited by Elfive 9; 02-04-2007 at 05:15 AM.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!StumbleUpon this Post!Reddit this Post!Facebook this Post!BlinkList this Post!Google Bookmarks this Post!Yahoo! My Web this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 02-04-2007, 09:51 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 80
Yves81 is on a distinguished road
La Palisse

Bonjour Elfive 9
Tout ce que vous dites est vrai,et tout le monde ici,sur ce forum le sait.
Vous etes en train d'enfoncer des portes ouvertes,car tres certainement vous devez avoir une idée derrière la tête pas trés catholique.
Alors ,s'il vous plait laissez-nous réver,car c'est tout ce qu'il nous reste dans ce bas monde que personne n'a le droit de nous retirer.
Excusez mon mauvais Anglais,je passe par un traducteur Anglais-Français de mauvaise qualité.
Hello Elfive 9
All that you say is true, and everybody here, on this forum knows him(it).
You are by train to push opened doors, because tres certainly you have to have an idea behind the head not trés Catholic.
Then, please leave us réver, because it is all that it remains in us in this low world that nobody has the right to remove us.
Excuse my bad Englishman, I pass by an English-French translator of bad quality.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!StumbleUpon this Post!Reddit this Post!Facebook this Post!BlinkList this Post!Google Bookmarks this Post!Yahoo! My Web this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 02-04-2007, 02:31 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,510
prasxz is on a distinguished road
hi

good posting.....
may i add one item:

if u don't have enough money you shouldn't be trading

===================
Forex Indicators Collection
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!StumbleUpon this Post!Reddit this Post!Facebook this Post!BlinkList this Post!Google Bookmarks this Post!Yahoo! My Web this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 02-04-2007, 03:26 PM
BrazilianTrader's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Brazil
Posts: 138
BrazilianTrader is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Elfive 9
1. If you cannot quickly recite the daily, weekly and monthly support & resistance values for any pair you're planning to trade with an EA, you shouldn't be trading.

2. If you can't manually calculate the currency exchange conversion values for any pair you're planning to trade with an EA, you shouldn't be trading.

3. If you cannot read and understand the code of an EA you're planning to trade with, you shouldn't be trading with it.

4. If you haven't learned to successfully trade manually for at least a year or two, you shouldn't be mechanically trading trading with an EA.

5. 99% of all EA's are destined to fail. Some sooner, some later.

6. Technical indicators don't work. They're a big fib to appease retail traders.

7. Knowledge of only price action, a few key patterns, and support/resistance is necessary to trade.

8. If you cannot quickly name the 10 key news events and their dates/times during the upcoming month, you shouldn't be trading.

9. You're worst enemy in trading is your broker.

10. Broker Pip spreads are only a portion of your trade cost. You are regularly gouged by slippage costs. If your EA has a default slippage value of 3, guess what your typical slippage will be? If it's set to 4, guess what your typical slippage will be?

11. The only EA's that will be profitable are the ones that are cleverly designed to out-fox the brokers and other insideous market forces by resorting to tricks, gimmicks, and smoke & mirrors tactics.

12. Any EA's freely available publicly will lose your trading account.

13. 95% of "traders" on public forums are as uneducated as you are about trading. Be wary of free advice.

14. The average trader who is persistent and lucky enough to eventually become a profitable trader regularly will first lose $20K - $30K in the markets and spend another $10K on books, lessons, eBooks, subscriptions and software. The rest will perish somewhere along that path.

15. The amount of time you are "exposed" in the market through active trading, either manually or mechanically, is inversely proportional to your profitability success rate.

16. Two high probability trades yielding 15 pips each and using a lot size of 50 is all you need each week.



I have more if you'd like to hear them.
"95% of "traders" on public forums are as uneducated as you are about trading. Be wary of free advice."

would such rule apply to those advices on top?
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!StumbleUpon this Post!Reddit this Post!Facebook this Post!BlinkList this Post!Google Bookmarks this Post!Yahoo! My Web this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 02-04-2007, 03:35 PM
BrazilianTrader's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Brazil
Posts: 138
BrazilianTrader is on a distinguished road
"14. The average trader who is persistent and lucky enough to eventually become a profitable trader regularly will first lose $20K - $30K in the markets and spend another $10K on books, lessons, eBooks, subscriptions and software. The rest will perish somewhere along that path."


That is Stupid. Totally Stupid.

A guy that lost 1k on forex for the real market can never be or become a trader.
That is why the demo accounts are. If you can't have satisfactory results on demos or backtests (using just for logic fixes, not real performance expectation), why "learn on the real market"?

lol

Also, Internet is free. Just use that with care and you won't have to spend 60.000 dollars with such bullshit.

lol 60k dollars...

I am almost done with my strategy for Forex and haven't spend a miserable penny, except for the ISP and electricity bills, photocopies and such.

I may be wrong, but... lol 60k dollars... It's very "I-am-not-a-trader-at-all" thing.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!StumbleUpon this Post!Reddit this Post!Facebook this Post!BlinkList this Post!Google Bookmarks this Post!Yahoo! My Web this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 02-04-2007, 05:02 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 249
Craig is on a distinguished road
I agree with all of them except the figure quoted in 14, some people learn quicker then others.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!StumbleUpon this Post!Reddit this Post!Facebook this Post!BlinkList this Post!Google Bookmarks this Post!Yahoo! My Web this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 02-04-2007, 05:55 PM
davidke20's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: 38° 53′ 51.61″ N, 77° 2′ 11.58″ W
Posts: 1,492
davidke20 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig
I agree with all of them except the figure quoted in 14, some people learn quicker then others.
too bad, before i started make money, i did loss more than the figure mentioned above
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!StumbleUpon this Post!Reddit this Post!Facebook this Post!BlinkList this Post!Google Bookmarks this Post!Yahoo! My Web this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 02-04-2007, 06:42 PM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 6
Elfive 9 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrazilianTrader
"14. The average trader who is persistent and lucky enough to eventually become a profitable trader regularly will first lose $20K - $30K in the markets and spend another $10K on books, lessons, eBooks, subscriptions and software. The rest will perish somewhere along that path."


That is Stupid. Totally Stupid.

A guy that lost 1k on forex for the real market can never be or become a trader.
That is why the demo accounts are. If you can't have satisfactory results on demos or backtests (using just for logic fixes, not real performance expectation), why "learn on the real market"?

lol

Also, Internet is free. Just use that with care and you won't have to spend 60.000 dollars with such bullshit.

lol 60k dollars...

I am almost done with my strategy for Forex and haven't spend a miserable penny, except for the ISP and electricity bills, photocopies and such.

I may be wrong, but... lol 60k dollars... It's very "I-am-not-a-trader-at-all" thing.
There's no need to be angry or show denial. I'm on your side. Incidentally, where did you come up with 60K?

Last edited by Elfive 9; 02-04-2007 at 07:05 PM.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!StumbleUpon this Post!Reddit this Post!Facebook this Post!BlinkList this Post!Google Bookmarks this Post!Yahoo! My Web this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 02-04-2007, 07:03 PM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 6
Elfive 9 is on a distinguished road
Here are a few more:

16. Praying to God isn't going to influence your trades one way or another. God isn't listening and God doesn't care. Neither does the market.

17. Most new traders are over-leveraged, under-capitalized, assume far too much risk and have absurd profitability expectations. A lot of new traders are actually desperate to be profitable in lieu of working a regular job or some other personal financial issues, and therefore expose themselves to being wiped out early in their trading.

18. A 5% monthly return on trading is in fact a very generous and profitable ROI to be proud of.

19. The data feed of a broker demo account is actually more representative of true market price action than a live account feed because it isn't manipulated.

20. Backtesting and forward testing of EA's is virtually useless for purposes other than debugging code logic. The price action data feed of a live account is manipulated by the broker. Brokers use computer monitored algorithms to randomly squash the amplitude of true price volatility to fake out EA indicators and trade logic.

21. Your trading activities are absolutely and continuously on the radar of your broker, and traders that are too profitable are unknowingly subject to more stringent price manipulation techniques.

22. The only EA trading methodologies that have a lick and a promise of succeeding are based on creative straddle, hedging or countertrend order placement techniques. All others will eventually fail.

23. The most obvious and proven successful mechancal trading methods such as scalping are prohibited by brokers.

24. In most cases, news induced tower bars are nothing more than volatility responses to trader greed and have nothing to due with any real economic impact of the news on the underlying currencies. The currency price usually settles down and returns to it's mean value after the news.

25. The majority of industry gurus that offer trading books, methods and seminars don't even trade and make their money selling you their wares because the risk/reward ratio is much better than actually trading.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!StumbleUpon this Post!Reddit this Post!Facebook this Post!BlinkList this Post!Google Bookmarks this Post!Yahoo! My Web this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 02-06-2007, 06:05 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 237
teldon is on a distinguished road
16. Praying to God isn't going to influence your trades one way or another. God isn't listening and God doesn't care. Neither does the market.


wrong ,
praying to God makes you mentally prepared for anything, this you willfind out 'maybe not before your account expires " but surely before you yourself expire.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!StumbleUpon this Post!Reddit this Post!Facebook this Post!BlinkList this Post!Google Bookmarks this Post!Yahoo! My Web this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
trading

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Forex Trading Survey (live trading) bcitra General Discussion 2 Yesterday 11:12 PM
Mobile Trading/Technical Requirements/Automated Trading Championship icum Tools and utilities 82 06-01-2009 05:36 PM
Could this mechanical history tester help? moneyline Tools and utilities 0 04-19-2006 08:38 PM


All times are GMT. The time now is 10:42 PM.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 ©2008, Crawlability, Inc.