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Old 01-18-2007, 09:46 PM
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Account Crasher EA

This has probably been attended to already, but humour me...

Let say that an EA crashes your account do to it buy/sell logic and the TP and SL set in place.

If you view the chart visually and you revers the logic it turns into a money machine.

Buy becomes Sell
Sell becomes Buy
TP becomes SL
SL becomes TP

It makes sense to me, I am probably not the first and I wont be the last to ask this question.

If you would like to test this theory with me just reverse the order of the coding in the attached EA that was developed for Time Bomb Tim.

Manually the strategy works but the EA makes additional trades. I am still taking the CodersGuru home course so I'm a coders worst nightmare.

Let prove me wrong and have a good laught.

But if I'm right we will be laughting in PIPS

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This has probably been attended to already, but humour me...

Let say that an EA crashes your account do to it buy/sell logic and the TP and SL set in place.

If you view the chart visually and you revers the logic it turns into a money machine.

Buy becomes Sell
Sell becomes Buy
TP becomes SL
SL becomes TP

It makes sense to me, I am probably not the first and I wont be the last to ask this question.

If you would like to test this theory with me just reverse the order of the coding in the attached EA that was developed for Time Bomb Tim.

Manually the strategy works but the EA makes additional trades. I am still taking the CodersGuru home course so I'm a coders worst nightmare.

Let prove me wrong and have a good laught.

But if I'm right we will be laughting in PIPS

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Laugh away it will not work
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Laugh away it will not work
Indeed, you are most correct.
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Old 01-19-2007, 06:27 AM
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Why?

Hi Guys I do not have a problem with the theory not working.

I just need to understand why. You have to agree that the theory makes sense. Obviously you guys have also went down this thought pattern.

I just don't understand the why not.

Is it the initial drawdown. Or are the mystic forex forces always lurking in the background.

But then again if I was right then every EA that looses money would be a money wizard that could crash all worlds market (behind me a thunderstorm builds and I have an evil chuckle)

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The reason that it will not work are...
1. The results of a system are more to do with the money/risk management aspects of a system and less to do with the actual signals.
2. Entring trades based on indicator TA in my experence gives you no statisical edge, taking no edge and inverting it does not give you a edge.
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I come of telecharger the E.A
I shall send you all the results which I shall obtain, on account of demo FXLITE
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Hi

If you look closely, almost every Account Crasher EA is "crashing" the account after a long series of orders. Statistically, random trading will lose the spread multiplied with the number of trades => after a large number of trades, you will lose all your money.

Let's say that we have the AccountCrasher EA (AC) and the Reversed EA (R).

Day1: AC is losing 50 pips -> R is winning 48 pips. (50-2p spread)

Day2: AC is losing another 100 pips and crashes the account-> R is winning 98 pips. AC has lost everything and R has gained 146 pips. If you stop now, it is ok! But how do you know when to stop??????

Day 3: AC would have win150 pips (if it had any margin) and R will lose 152 pips. So you will lose either way!

Do you see my point?
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This idea is not uncommon.

Its a method of trading called "Reversal Trading". People have been doing it for some time in all types of markets.

Here's a thread that may help you out

Reversal Trading System

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Read the article in the link to understand why it will not work:

http://www.iexpertadvisor.com/ib39.asp

-Mikhail
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Adding my thought to this, I agree with the ney-sayers: if the EA's observations bear no correlation with the price movement, then its trades are random, and they stay random also if reversed. In fact, you may improve the logic until your ears go pointy, and the trades still stay random
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