Yes, I agree that renaming the indicator was wrong, but this was his only misdemeanour - copyrights excepted, this is a freely available EA with no T&C's of usage. Anyway, do you know for a fact that he did not actually contact its creator before-hand and obtained permission? In another thread, I mentioned my surprise that he is still active (5 years on) when I recieved an email from him, so it is indeed possible that Mr Boatright contacted him as well. Though I will not be suprised in the least if he didn't - there are thousands of indicators out there that are subject to the same 'abuse' daily, and I have no doubt that most commercial EA's are guilty of these practices! How many of us are not guilty of 'copying' someone elses code? - everyone, it's called learning!

In practice, there is absolutely no difference between using someones indicator externally, and including the indicator code in an EA itself. Had Bogie taken the latter route, there would have been no controversy generated. The reason this is even being debated seems to stem from both Mr Boatright's past success in the EA championships, and the 'mystical' properties many attribute to NN's...

I don't think i made myself clear...
I was hoping to improve the Open Source NN that jlpi mentioned, because has gmax111 said, the Weights in it are for 2003... So maybe if we can optimize the weights to the market today and we can come with better results... And as a former client of Bogie i can assure you the results are good...
I checked and this indicator against bogie's and they are exactly the same... I mean ABSOLUTELY no difference.
I short the indicator that Bogie is based is Open source, so you're paying for an EA manager, which i don't think is completely worthless, but I can do myself too.

You don't seem to have read the other thread where this is currently being discussed - the issue regarding Bogie using the same indicator (and NN weights) is known. I and a few others have actually bought the software that was used to generate the 2003 weights, but it has a bug, so are waiting for its developer to fix it. There are several alternatives to Cortex of course, so you are not limited to one solution, but having bought it, I'm content to wait...

While I have no idea what MM Bogie uses, if it is a trivial as you seem to believe, you should have no problem emulating Bogies BT results as it stands! There is also at least one other aspect involved (SAR) which will have its own entry & exit rules. If however you truly believe that the whole of Bogies success rests on an out-of-date indicator, (whose signals produces an equity curve that mirrors the rise and fall of EU perfectly on BT...) then you should have no problem becoming very rich by coding your own. Personally, I tend to think that Mr Boatright's success in the EA Championship(s) should not be underestimated...

There are some proper professional coders in this forum ,so please speak only for yourself

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Original post:

How many of us are not guilty of 'copying' someone elses code? - everyone, it's called learning!

It is called thieving




Andrewb responds:

Look I am not a coder, but this seems ridiculous - maybe you can explain why copying someone's code is "thieving". I thought all the code here was open and for all our use - to learn and hopefully create eas to make money from. Am I wrong?

If Mr Boatwright took code that was provided free to use on the net, and created a product that can help us all make money - well why should we complain? There are very few profitable eas around, at least that is my experience. So I am glad he did this, for if it makes money, it is a benefit to the community. If the other code was copywrited, well then it could be called "thieving" I guess. But if it was provided for all to use, what is the harm?

The point is Mr Boatwright put it together, and it seems to work. If he damaged the creator of the free code in doing so, then he was wrong. Does the creator have a robot he is attempting to market, or could in the future? If so, why did he provide it free on the web? Not too smart, if that was the case, so I can only assume that it wasn't the case.

I had a feeling that that would get a reaction from a self-righteous few!

You don't specifically claim to be one of the "proper professional coders" yourself, but if you consider yourself such and in the same breath claim you became one without learning from others code, then you are a liar! Copy & Paste is one of the very first steps in becoming a proficient coder, and if you were one you would know that! Though I have been coding for many years, I certainly don't consider myself a professional, but having examined probably a few hundred publically available EA/indicators (again, this is called learning) I know my coding can stand on its own - no great achievement considering that most of them are crap!

So, once again, what is it that Mr Boatright is being accused of here? At worst, he has renamed an ancient piece of code - code that is public domain! Given the ludricous line of reasoning that seems to exist here, anyone who has the audacity to include code that is in the public domain, in a commercial EA, is a charlatan - does this mean that the likes of Elders and Demark must also be consulted before their public-domain offerings are used???

This is getting ridiculous...

Exactly! He is using code that is public domain, where his only 'sin' may have been in renaming the code. Bear in mind that he did absolutely nothing else to conceal it's identity, though it would have been a trivial matter to do so.

This seems to be more about begrudgery, than about the sensibilities of a few being affected by this 'heinous' act...

Getting silly...

to my best knowledge William has the chance to bring it from the dead.
I haven't seen any of you guys talking about Cortex till William did his expert.
His expert is profitable, and he has the right to charge for it, he did his home work " study the method , backtest it , then test it , then optimize it .. and finally made an expert "

for God sake give him a credit for his time

Even if he is a bad person in some people opinion , he did produce a profitable expert , and for that I would give him the credit

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For whatever my opinion is worth, I agree completely with MiniMe and Omelette.

I have been using the Bogie NN8 live with excellent results. I noticed someone saying they would stop their subscription. Frankly, $50 pm is not a high price to pay for such returns. I have paid considerably more for EA's that have not performed !

As you will all know, it is so hard to find an EA that really does work, why would anyone stop their sub when they have found one ? This doesn't ring true.

Whether or not he incorporated a freely available indicator, he has made a (thus far) profitable EA available to anyone, at a reasonable price.

If you don't like it, don't buy it !

Cav

My demo result using Bogie NN V8 is impressive.
I think I'm gonna subscribe

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