Newdigital is being fair, you already open the MT4 to veiw and call your trades, to change the setup and to train the people in the room, its not a big deal to make a couple of trades on a demo account.

I have read in some posts you are doing better than Better expert and you compaird your results to the very best, so a couple of those winning trades on a demo account will get you more cleints.

-if the traders in the room don't follow the rules, that means they are not making money

- if you keep changing the template and the setup more than once each month, that means you don't have a system, or the setup is not finilized " if thats the case it would be unfair to charge people to experiment on them ", we optimize using time , lot size , tail, inidcator parameters ,stoploss and take profit, but we don't optimize by changing the setup, that is not optimization.

- anyone can make 1000's of pips trading history, give TSD what they ask for a statement even on a demo account.

Treat people the way you would want to be treated

Regards
Alan

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Minime and homestudy,

You have a certain vieuw.
The vieuw is that I suddenly have a compleet new systeem.
I understand that because even some members of the group tought the very same and ask the first fieuw days of this month if they could still have the old system.

I showed them in the room that the new MaTRiX system is doing ore trying to catch the same moves but taking entrys from 1min charts instead of 15min charts.
The exit strategy is even still the VERY same. Meaning that one exits his 1min entry with the 15min exit we previously had.
But it is a bit to difficult to explain this all in a posting.

When I released this system I do not use the room as some sort of an experiment.

I feel and know that the discussion will not stop till proof is given.
I have always been in favour for total 100% transparancy. I was a Don Quichote here on this forum when I saw that people did not act correctly or claimed false profits or were dishonest...etc...

So I gonna give you what I expected from others.

1) I gonna open my room to the public for a couple of days. The room is a live video room. This way you will able to see my platform. You point out someone to who I will send my templates to. That person can compare his templates with my template in the video room so be shure that we have the same tepmlates. I will give him the 2 templates. The once for the "old" ZoRRo system and the once for the MaTRiX system.
2 reasons for that. First reason I gonna show the simularitys between the 2 templates. Second reason is that that person can open any kind of spreadsheet that I posted in the past and pick out what ever kind of trade and we go over the charts and see if that particular trade is still there in the form of an arrow.
He can also go back in the commercial section and look for some images of charts that I have posted in the past and see if those very same setups can be found back. Again to be shure that the template that I will give is the same as the one who was used in the past.
This way the proof should be given that the spreadsheets are 100% correct according the signals that apeared over the last 7 months.

2) About the proof that needs to be given true trading results:
I don't realy understand where the proof is not accepted of me posting printscreens of my personal trading account.

Understand that trading already on my account and simultainiously trading on a metrader platform is not possible if one realy wants to stay concentrated.
New digital says that I need to find a friend who does the trading on a metrader account. But the other people in the room have also to concentrate on their personal platforms.
Maybe some of you think that metatrader is THE platform but in my room that is not so. The people who are in my group trade serious money. If you trade serious money you do not place your money with a metatrader broker. Only people who work with 1-2000$ go to a metatrader broker. But do you think that people who trade with only 1000$ would pay me to be in my group. If the would pay me 85€ from 1000$ they lost laready 10% of their money.
Please try to understand that.

I do not have any difficulty to give proof. Instead of posting printscreens of my personall trading platform I am willing to send my bank statement from the broker to new digital. I am even willing to post them here every day after I had a trading day. I am willing to place the mail from my broker with the statement in an attachement in a new mail so new digital can verify if that stament came indeed from my broker...et.c...etc...

I am willing to take in trades in the live video room where people can see my platform and look to one of the sub accounts. I'll take in trades. The day after I post the bankstatements from the broker so they can verify the bakstatement with the positions I took.

I am willing to post the bankstatements as long as it takes or nescessary.
I am willing to post them even furder more in the commercial section even after people here aproved my proof in the evaluation section.

So hopefully you can accept all of this transparancy. Be awere that not one person here on this forum showed so much transparancy in the way I will do.
It nearly becomes rediculous.
For all the same people here can start to ask me to see the statements from my personall bank account to see the commission that was payed that I received from my customers.

Try to understand that a metatrader is not a platform that is used in a professional way or that people would never use such a platform when they want to trade with larger amounts of money.
Try to see a little bit furder then your own tradingworlds and try to understand that overall majority of traders don't use a metatrader platform.

I would like to ask each one of you who is putting my honesty in doubt or the profability of my system in question.
If I give proof of all the things you demand and everything I do is 100% correct will you become then a member of the group ?...I will give you honest proof. I answered your questions honestly so please answer my question honestly.
The reason I have so much trouble to proof the things that you demand is that I have a very strong feeling that not one of you will become a member and that I say to myself why would I put myself in all this trouble and effort and energy....
The people in the room did not ask any questions. They became a member and most of them stayed members. The looked with an open vieuw to what I did and do on this forum. What mpower is doing is a personall vendeta and has nothing to do with my trading skills nore systems.

So let me know how we are going to arange things so I can forfill your "needs" and show the proof and when to open my room to you publicly.
When I gonna open my room to the public I gonna post that in my 3 topics so we have as much possible witnesses. You questionize my integrety but I do the same to you. Because for all the same if the aproval needs to come from only a few of you then I believe that I even don't have to open that room because your answers to the proof is made before the proof would be given.
The more witnesses the more reliable.

I sujest that we let this whole thing cool down a bit now and enjoy are weekends and next week we can work on eachothers demands.

regards...iGoR

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Hi guys

I am just wondering why all here trys to demolich what Igor have done. If someone have greated a trading system and finaly aske money for his work it should be fine. I would understand if people from his goup starts to point out that they are not happy with the system and Igor is a scammer, then I would understand all that negativity to his adress. But here I can see people I quess 99% of them have never see, hear Igor speaking and trading blame him scamming people.
I was member of a original TSR group when it was free and I would have to say that I leaned a lot during a days I spent in a group.
So to get a objectiv feedback guys first try the system out and give the evaluation then. I think it would nod take much to spend that 85 euros, if you are a serious trader. If you do not have that money to spend then you are not a trader but just a speaker who is jealous that somebody is doing a great job and gets a positive result out of the trading and helping others become better traders as well.

Cirps

No one tries to demolish what IGOR have done, IGOR is a respected member, there is intelligence in his posts, and he seems to have the experience, those who tried his system didn't complain " which is good ".

but when you promote a commercial system on TSD, there are some rules " not written " those rules most members understand, and the main simple rule is to show a proof, or let someone evaluate the system.

Showing a bank statement is a bit on the extreem, showing a live results is way too much to ask, what Newdigital suggested was reasonable " which is to show a demo statement and if there isn't any, is to make one in the next 30 days.

Some members may not like IGOR answers to thier posts, and they would seek a chance to revenge or satisfy a sick need in thier head, but thats not the case over here.

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Good day to all,
Really i can't understand the reason to disscus Zorro aproach and evaluate it/
But, if so, i have to write some words here.

Personally i'm for 1 year with Igor's group and up to now not planning to leave it.

During this period i meet a lot of people in our group, but most of them still with us and working.

There is another side of the medal - some of them, who leave us already asked me to give codes for indicators and ect. for the price much more which Igor ask for monthly subribe.

In last august i started to programm system for our group. I can say you, that i never doing work if it is not intresting or profiable especially for me.

My personal problem - i'm not every day trader, becouse i also have some work to do for different customers.

As a results - i'm still working with standart Zorro 15 min and this system works for me. I also tryed to show my time-to-time statemt on my website.

As a next step of the work we did Matrix approach which has aproximatly the same principals of Zorro but used 1 min chart. This system was developed and programed to get profit quickly.

So, some of you asking to show statemets.... The question is - why? Are somebody here who attacking Igor (so, they attacking me and group also) publishing there statement? Or anybody here suggest something better from his experiance? As i see some person trying to critic something but do not show or give something positive instead.

So, please ask youself what do you want? Igor is open person and he always giving to members knowleges and his experianse.

He works with his own platform and making money. This is not his problem if somebody trying to trade agains the rules and getting problem. His statemet absolute true and nobody here has the right to press him.

Are anybody here who can monitor several pairs on different platforms, commenting and trading at the same time? Are anybody here who answering for question, some time really useless, several time at once? Are anyone here who can accept misstakes openly? Most of attacking here - people who never been in the room or been once...

So Igor invited you several time to joint in on TradingRoomsâ„¢ - the Interactive Trading Community. in his room to see on real time his trade... As i remember - noone come...

As for me, i have to ask Igor personaly to close this struggle on this forum... Who wants to make profit on the market will find him anyway... I have to ask him to finish posting charts and results, becouse as i see all of this agains him.

As i said before - i know potention Zorro and Matrix, i know how its works and what i can expect from this approaches.

This is the best systems which i ever seen or developed.

So, time to time i will try to show my stetement on my personal website, but as i said before - i'm not every day trader... http://greenfutura.narod.ru/

So i want to wish all of you good trade and succses, but remember - it is not possible to be winners on market for all, only 1 winner for 1000 loosers.

Thanks for your opinion.
But seems you are too far from the initial stories.
I've sent PM to you.

About these stories:
The world will never change. What was in the past, will be in the future:
everyone that is above the level of mediocraty must be afraid of loosing his head for mediocraty rules, one way or another.
The mass of people is always wrong, history proves it, and that is above all true in trading. That is why the majority of the forextraders is loosing money instead of making it. Only a few earn on it, and that are the ones that are above mediocraty and for that always always an item for small talk and abuse. It is not new, and for once it would be nice if it should change instead of forfilling the rule that all what was, will be.

Everybody knows: commercial thing is impossible here without statements. I am not accepting to the commercial posting about 10 -15 threads per months only because the threads do not have any statements or evaluation.
We deleted more than 150 commercial threads from the forum in December only because authors did not want to provide any evaluation and any statements even on demo account.

So, everybody knows this rule.

- Besides, someone complained that Igor was attacked.
- Igor's "enemies" complained that there is no any statements and there was no any.
- Igor's "enemies" complained that they were attacked by Igor with no reason consistently on our forum.
- Igor complained (in the way of asking to delete some posts) that his "enemies" do not want to forget offences he did for them consistently on our forum.
- Igor's "enemies" (who were offended by him in past personally in strong way of attacking) attacked Igor on his commercial thread but Alex posted the statement (one week probable) and I deleted bad posts and attacking was stopped.
- Alex stoped posting the statement and attacking arised.
- Igor refused to post the statement;
- Attacking arised;
- Igor refused to change his avatar;
- as a result: attacking arised.
- Igor refused to speak and to deal with people who were offended by him consistently and personally here. He prefer to offend the people and admin should fix the situation as he did not want to participate in this situation fixing.
- attacking arised.
I may continue ...
It is exclusive circle.
It is my vision of the situation.

The situation can be fixed only if Igor will provide the statement and only in this case moderators will have right to do their job in right way.
Otherwise I do not see any reason to keep this attacking situation which arised on our forum only because Igor decided to make money here.

So, it may be the following:

1. Igor (or his people) will fix the problem with the non-members of his group who were personally offended by him. He must do it by himself and outside of our forum. Not on our territory please. Select the other territory for attacking or any kind of talking concerning personal offences;
or
2. Igor (or his people) will provide the standard statement. The statement as any commercial sellers should provide. It can be done in the way of evaluation, or some other members can do, or someone can go to his group and trade with statement, or in some other way. I do not see any problem with that. Only in this case Igor's "enemies" can be deleted by posts from his thread and only in this case moderators can manage the situation to be peacefull.
or
3. If not - Igor should select different forum/territory/house/country to speak with any of his friends or enemies in the way he wants and did and for the subject he selected and will select. Different forum please. Not here by threads and posts. Because it was too much personal offences with no any responsibility at all.

Select from 1, 2 or 3 please. Of not - all his threads will be closed this week. If select #2 so the statement and evaluation may be provided in next months for example or this months (if this case no any thread will be closed).

That's all.

Hello,

As I got a little bit curious with all these claims published here in the forum (sometimes you never know, maybe you can find something helping improving your own concepts), I decided to take a look to the Zorro concept a few months ago and I would like to report here, first about my experiences with it and secondly about Igor’s attitudes. I didn’t do it in the past as it was extremely obvious to me that this is nothing more than a big joke (or maybe BS) and was thinking most of you will see it exactly the same way.

- First of all the provider delivered his indicators and templates without any kind of written rules or documents. The only explanation was a video set explaining the concept. Unfortunately these videos in many cases didn’t match to the indicators or templates delivered. This is probably because of all these changes made by Igor but without updating the videos. So it needed several time costing additional questions and explanations to start with it.

- The concept relies basically on some general and old fashioned rules, entering the market quite lately after some small retracements. These retracements are not specially well thought, so that usually you get kicked out of the market most of time. The win ratio is rather very low.

- The S/L logic has been based on exiting when the PriceChannel changes at the end of the time bar. This rule alone is a very strong indication on how inexperienced is Igor when it comes to managing risks. There are times when markets (besides of course of important news announcement markets) can sometimes move 100-150 pips if you have to wait for the bar end, being here 15 min.

- The concept is generally a very high risk approach because of the late entries and the relatively low win ratio and speculates on strong trending market situations. If you are lucky sometimes you will get some good moves but these are highly speculative as the chances for trending or ranging market conditions are always about 50%. But the same kind of trades can be achieved during those market conditions with almost every other usual moving average concept, so that Zorro doesn’t add something new to this old dilemma. If you want to speculate whether markets will be trending or ranging during a specific day, then it’s better to go to casino and play roulette or maybe flip a coin instead of following a concept like that.

- If you read carefully some of Igor statements you will notice even him saying that the concept is good for making or loosing many pips during a trading day. When you have to deal with such concepts, then the risks are tremendous high, as the “wrong market conditions“ can sustain for a long time causing huge drawdowns to the account. Though this very important fact, Igor has all the time claimed how good is the system and has been proud about it. What a joke really, just to speculate on certain market conditions and call such a logic a good one.

- I’ve been following this thread from the beginning mainly just for entertaining and have noticed him to be very confused and changing all the time his setup’s till he found something. Though experimenting during all that time he was asking money from subscribers which is definitely first not fair and secondly unacceptable. He is just making people hopes without delivering any kind of evidences, is just experimenting his ideas by charging others and has never traded his own Zorro concept which has been admitted by him publicly

He is in many cases totally disrespectful to many users, is turning everything which is questioning him against forum users, without providing any verifiable evidences for all his claims, his claims are full of so many obvious contradictions, which is a sign how much he underestimates and disrespects other people’s intelligence. In fact his trading skills and behaviour prove to be far, far below the average of this forum. Sometimes you get the impression he thinks to speak to kindergarten children, while he has to deal with extremely experienced users here in this forum. He seems to be totally out of reality and out of topic here. To me he makes the impression to be a totally confused trader and personality looking in this forum to get some kind of attention and financing for his experiments. This is totally unacceptable especially when attacking other users the way he does and without delivering any evidence for all these claims. When his concept fails then –
- it’s subscriber’s fault not following it as they should, subscribers don’t have money to pay him, that sway they question him

- but he has so much money he can move from one market to the other but though he asks subscribers to finance him his experiments

- subscribers don’t have the money to trade stocks or other instruments but him as a market guru he can forecast by when and in which market volatility is going to jump.

- etc.

This all is really a joke and at the same time a comedy. Who is actually trying to sell here? I suppose him. So he doesn’t even understand what are his duties and his responsibilities against the forum readers and instead he starts attacking them when they ask for the obvious. While in the past we have had in this forum an Italian comedy now we got a Belgian one. These stories have some similarities regarding provider’s behaviour when they got questioned, but the main difference is that you can pay the 85 EUR play a little bit around, find out how useless is the concept and then through it away while the other was selling some useless concepts for I think 1’500-2’500 $.

- Igor is acting here not alone. He is supported by a Russian coder (Alex is a I think his name) and Arctic but it’s very difficult to define their roles in this kind of cooperation. I suppose Alex is helping him in coding the indicators and templates and Arctic in activities supporting his sales efforts. Therefore is better to be a little bit cautious with their comments.

- Igor suffers under the following syndrome: actually he seems not to understand that the most important fact in trading is to understand and manage potential risks and not just the actual risks. This is what mpower and others here try to explain but he doesn’t want to understand it. Have you ever seen him publishing any serious statistics related with his concepts? Me never. All his arguments rely on just some short term observations and risk/reward relations based just on some actual risks. You will see him saying for example, oh my concept did this month a profit of 500 pip and had a drawdown of 250 with my reward/risk ratio being 2 and believes this to be a right statement. I know most of you have already started laughing here if not already before. But he is not the only one thinking that way. Many wannabe traders here or in other forums think exactly that way. There has been an other in this forum claiming how good his concept is and months ago I tried to explain him how crappy is his trading style. Have you maybe seen what happened to him? He managed to wipe out two accounts in less than 1-3 weeks (SIMBA5 - C2 trading system which trades forex, PIPMACHINE - C2 trading system which trades forex). This is exactly the same problem referring to Igor. He doesn’t want to face reality. He just tries out a concept that has coincidentally worked for a while and projects to him this will work the same all the time in the future. After he actually fools himself first then he starts fooling subscribers either intentionally or maybe just because of his wrong assumptions and when the concept start not to work over time, he starts projecting himself the ability to adapt to changing market behaviour. Have you really understood that one? Not only you get an excellent system from Igor but as an Add-on you get the perfect hybrid guru being able to adapt to all structural market changes!!! Worst of all is when he totally underestimates and disrespects other people capabilities and intelligence, gets aggressive when people ask for the most obvious and starts writing huge Romans instead of delivering the real hard facts demanded by the forum visitors. The majority in this forum is reacting correctly by ignoring this thread as it’s not very serious and is just laughing. There is only one medicine for Igor to help him here and this is to start making public all his own track records related to the concepts he tries to sell but then really a full track record and not just only picking some of the good trades appearing every Christmas and Eastern. After a while he may start realizing how wrong he is with his assumptions. As long as he works with virtual spreadsheet statistics he will continue to ignore reality and look for all kind of excuses for not making results public but instead changing all the time his concepts making impossible to follow their performance. In fact by changing his concepts all the time he just tries to make to subscribers the impression they need these adjustments for keeping them paying the monthly fees. It’s just a part of his marketing strategy.