Nd,

I don't know if this thread is intended for that but how should we do when you see when the seller claim to have proved something when he has not.

I would like to react on that one because the break of the logic is obvious.

The fact that people stayed a long time with you doesn't prove at all that what you give is quality.
It proves maybe that they think it is quality and that is a huge difference, but it more surely proves that they find what they are looking for. It maybe many different things.

Ok,a small example to state the difference:
in the 70s (I think, not sure of the date) a French guy who tried different activities before (wanted to be a singer and a rally driver) suddenly said that he was taken by aliens in their ship in order to communicate to him that they created men, and so on, and so on.
Then he chose a new name (Rael) and founded a religion, and of course became rich. I am not sure how many people followed him but a lot and for a long time (few years ago they claimed to have made the first human clone).
The fact that many people followed him proves what: that this people found what they where looking for (hope, dreams, I don't know), but that doesn't prove that what he said was of quality or to be trusted.

As far as i know (maybe i am wrong) one of the reasons that Igor start thinking about open a private payed room in the first place was that myself and others that have followed him and learned a lot from him ask him to do it.
I can only speak for myself of course but i think the reason for asking was more or less the same for all of us and that was to get away from all the "noise" in the free open rooms.
So if "he should offer one free month to all newbees" then that will be almost as getting back to the free room.
If that happens my main reason for getting in the room in the first place are not valid anymore and i will 100% for sure leave the group when the first free member enter.

When i am here posting i also want to say that so far i have not seen Igor saying anything that are not true about what we do in the group and about the result in the excel sheet.
I have never read or hear him say anything that is a lie ever in any topic. He may be wrong some times of course like all of us, he is not a god, but in my opinion he is very honest.
And about being wrong. As far as i know the result in the excel are correct but i have not been going trough 100% of all the trades in all the excel sheets but i have been going trough many of them and i think other members of the group have done the same so even if there may be some human errors in there they can not be many and not big and they can probably go both ways if there are any so the overall result should be more or less correct over time anyway.
But again i will say that i don't think there are any errors at all and if there are, then they are errors and not scam.

But about the result there are a very important thing that both Igor and others have pointed out that new people may easy forget and that is those results are without spread and slippage and that will make a difference when you compare the excel with what the traders have in the live acc.
There are many trades every day so it is important to remember that.

Another thing that Igor say and that may also be easy for a new trader to forget is that to get the same result you have to take in all the same trades that you see in the excel sheet and do it without errors. That is 10 hours of trading every day.

And if some that reads this do not know, i am a member of the group and i have been there from day one.
I have also been in Igor's free open room from day one. That is around one year.
So i know him well and i can say that he is "the real thing". He is a professional trader, not a scammer and he do all he can to help people succeed in trading!

Arctic4x

One week is very little and may be two weeks is better. After that trial period nobody can complain and iGoR can say u had free weeks and free trial and you did not have to subscribe to my room after the period.This will stand good in iGoR's favour

Nobody is saying this is a scam or iGoR is telling lies because he is not like that.He does not know how to lie even if he tried.

El

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Did Rael ever give proof of having contact with an alien ?...NO
Even more, after claiming he made the first human clone, scientist asked to give proof of that, to show the baby, wich he rufused completely. So every normal person with a little bit of common sence knows that they can neglect or forget completely about what this nutcase claimed.

I give or better the system gives proof EVERY SINGLE day of its cappabilitys in profits and in losses.
Maybe you gonna say that what I post in the excel sheets could be crap or tricked or is no proof to you. The people in the trading group know that they are 100% correct and that what I post is 100% proof accordingly what they receive true the system. And most important I care about what people KNOW in the trading group not what outsiders THINK.

regards..iGoR

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Trading is not for everybody, i think from 100 peple 5 can handle it. Its a hard job. Iam member of Zorro group and iam satysfi. Igor is really good at what he is doing and developing. Everthing he say is true. I cant say i have the same results, but it is because of me, not Zorro system. I still making mistakes, i can say iam around zero. In trading you cannot afford any mistake. One mistake can make your month negative. Thats what i still feeling when my results are totally differnet from the system results.

Yeasterday i didnt made any mistake, I just pull the plug, what is too in our rules. It leads to nice profits. around 500 pips profit. 1 pip=1USD or little less on some pairs, on my real account.

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El cid I think you missed the explenation of me and of Arctic.
Even a 1 day trial is to much!

If I would give 1 day free trial, there will be people who will enter in the room and know in ADVANCE that they will join the room only for that 1 day and would have no intentions what so ever to pay anything afterworths to continue to join the group. Even how good the results would be ( because they just don't have the money-- look to the results of my poll--more then 40people admitted that they do not have the money.)

I do not tolerate anymore that people would abuse me for 1 day not for an hour nore a second.

If I would ask to each person here on the forum: if I give them a 2 week trial if they would join that room ?..then the answer would be: most probably YES.
If I would ask them the question that if the trial period is finished if then they would pay to continue to be in the room?... Many would say NO and severall would say : maybe it depends on what iGoR is giving.

That is saying to me: iGoR first we WANT to receive and then MAYBE we will give.
Well from now on I have enough of this behaviour. From now on I say: first, If you do not have any money to spare, pick-up a normall job.
And secondly, you pay me first and then I will meet up to my part of the deal.
Wich is giving quality and value for money. Because I have been giving for more then a year for free in the public room, every single day, and saw some of the shit I had to swollow.
That is also why I am in the commercial section and is in every kind of commercial aspect in life the same logic. First pay then receive.

If I go to a backery and ask for a bread I need to pay before I receive my bread.
If I would say to them that I first would like to taste, they gonna trow me out.
One can now say that he does not need to taste bread because he knows how bread is tasting.
Well the same goes for me. If you want to know what the system is cappable of making, look in the excel sheets and you will see what the system is cappable of in profit and in losses. And as I said and most important other members of the trading group :the results are correct !

The problem is that people are scared to pay to vendors because they get ripped off in most of the cases.
The last thing that I am in here is to rip off people. On the contrary. It is to offer help and each one of you realizes this very well!
The results in the excel sheets is what you see and is what you get ( if taken in all trades - spread and slipage)

regards..iGoR

PS. If people are afraid to pay because they were ripped off in many cases then that is their fault because in most of the cases they did not do any research on it or had no proof what so ever on the results. Except an obscure backtest that is posted and that was not confirmed of anybody else who was trading this EA but they were greedy on the results they saw.

What I do is total transparancy and all members of the group have the possibility to react or to give their opinion if I am selling crap or post fake results OR would not give any value for money.
I know that I have a lot more to offer then what other people can offer me (on trading). So important is that I know what kind of information one can get for free and what kind of information stands for quality and is worth to pay for.

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To avoid a lot of false trades ask yourself the question:...Am I desperatly looking for a trend because I want to trade...or am I taking a trade because the trend is there...(iGoR)

I agree 100% to what you say here. It would be great for the new traders to come in and see for themselves. No question about that.
What i was saying was that it would not work for me and probably not for the other members in the group.
The system have more than 20 trades a day and to stay focused on trading and try to learn from Igor when there are new people coming to the room every day asking the same questions over and over again many times every day will not be good for the group.
And like i say in my last post to get away from that was the main reason i wanted to join a group like that in the first place.
But non of that is up to me of course i can just speak for myself and say what i think about it.

Both you and me have known Igor long enough to know that he is a good man so when i say he is not a scammer it was not for you. You already know that.
It was for the new people that do not know him.

Friendly regards
Arctic4x

This thread is for evaluation of the zorro trading system NOT for evaluation of the seller's character, there is threads for that.
Why not post about the system itself? Things that are good things that are not good etc technically about the trading system.

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Newdigital,

I would like to suggest that,since IGOR´s thread is already at the commercial section,and there is no need for further evaluation...that you close THIS evaluation thread,people can post their comments at the commercial thread.

Additionally,I would like to suggest that all evaluation threads are closed once the product/system/whatever is evaluated,independently of the evaluation result..something like "closed and moved to commercial thread due to positive evaluation" or "closed and deleted due to negative evaluation"

This way,we will be able to focus this thread on its purpose: the new proposals for evaluation,avoid endless discussions on negatively evaluated threads and be able to continue the discussion,if any, at the positively evaluated commercial thread..

Just a suggestion

Regards
Simba

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