I saw that El cid opened commercial thread selling his EAs without forward testing. I did not see forward testing statements of any of his EAs which he is selling right now. He posted just few day forward statement only for one EA.

Person who is selling EAs based on backtesting results only is scammer.

That is funny: el cid attacked dynamit system only because dynamit guy did not give forward statement to him. Same case with Steinitz: Steinitz was attacked because he was selling his EA without forward testing results claiming 'no loss". Now El cid is doing exactly the same case.

This is scam.

That is why I am moving his thread to 'Deleted Commercial thread" for deleted presentation.

Guilty befire trial .That is your law

I hope all the TSD heirachy supporting Steinitz are happy

Best reagards

El Cid

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It proves something. Talk is easy, but do something right is not that easy...
Thanks ND for protecting us from scammers.

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Hi

Here is evidence that all your forward testing is worth nothing

All forward testing on Metatrader is flawed

Don't remove the thread because we have copies of the thread

El cid

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New digital

A programmer can sell his services .No questions asked.He gets paid

A developer pays the programmer ,he spends six months to maybe more time developing the idea .You ask him

I want forward tests

I want to know why u selling E A

I WANT TO KNOW SOURCE CODE

I want to know logic and all your idea

I want to know who wrote E A

I want to know refunds

I want to know all other things

Very helpful for development?



If I come to Elite section .You ask Give me money first before entry

Is this fair I give out source codes and evertything before getting paid.

All my programmers ask for money before source codes

Regards

El Cid

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You also say

el cid is a SCAMMER

Have you any proof?

Who did he scam?

Who did he take money from ?

Who complained with proof?

Did el Cid say his EA never make loss?

Any way

El Cid

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if one copy of your EA is $200 so 200 copies are 20,000, right?
And you have probable 6 different EA. It is 20,000*6=120,000 ...

I don't like to count the money which is not mine ... sorry for that.

Seinitz did not provide forward testing his EA. And you guys almost killed him. And what you did with dynamit guy? May be he is scammer ... may be not ...I am affreaid that he can not walk on the street without security now, and all his family can not ... Why? Because he did not provide the statements to you.
You asked for proof from him. He did not give the proof for you. And you almost killed him. Now you are doing the same case - no proper forward statements from you.

There is one rule: do your forward testing for few weeks. No one will look at your source code. No one need it. Besides there is the other problem as well: some people affraid that you took some part of the codes from Igorad's breakout EAs ...

As to elite section so I said it many times: it is not my commercial place. I am not selling anything in direct meaning of this words. And Igorad is not selling anything on our forum. And no one owners of this forum are not selling anything.
You want to sell only. Understand the differencies?

Only my goal with commercial section is to arrange this section for the following: the main contributors of this forum must have possibility to use this section to sell something. It is much more easy way to encourage the people who are developing for free. They are developing something for free and they will have oppotunity to sell some next or improved versions.
Because what is "development for free'? Free for whom? Free for me, free you ... but it is not free for the people who are developing you know ...
Thus, if people are supporting this forum for some long time so they can use commercial section. And in this case they will support more and more for free development. Everybody should make money using this forum: just support the forum and sell according to the rules.

So, it is nothing with you personally. I am just arranging commercial section trying to move or delete some unproved commercial threads without any noise and in easy way. Why? Not for me. For the people who are supporting our forum for free. Because "for free" usually is not for free for them.

But now i am spending my time for this talking sorry.

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Let's speak about backtesting and forward testing. because it is very interesting.

As to library files so I remember that one member posted some files to manage portfolio EAs. And there are some other files in Metaquotes codebase. Of course we do not need it if we want just to forward test some EAs. But it may be good development if we can code some program to manage the portfolio concerning brokers' requoting, order time exacuting, "trade context is busy", flat market condition, gaps in data and so on.

New Digital

I am not a programmer and I know nothing about coding.Fact.

I hire programmers on strategybuilderFX and here .I have met many good programmers from here Kalenzo,Ryan Klefas,Victor,Michal,Michel

They do the programming and I ask ........are you accusing them of using Igorad's source code?

If I ask my programmer .....buy/sell at 20 pips /30 pips above the breakout bar or 30 % above /below the daily range ................Is it copying Igorad's source code?Does Igorad own percentages or daily ranges or pip breakout range?Should nobody else use it?Is this what Igorad invented?No

breakout + pips offset has always been part of many well known strategies like the Hans strategy.Does the code belong to Igorad?

Everybody has their own way of writing MQ4 and if they use the letters and formats that are similiar ,then there could be a coincidence that they learnt similiar things by coincidence.How is to judge who is copying whose codes?

Before I came to TSD I spent a lot of time looking at trading breakouts based on the Hans 123 system.I devised and went through 25 systems many with breakouts +pips difference

I never hear of iGORAD until I came here to Forex TSD and I was always trading PIPS DIFFERENCE + ON BREAKOUTS.I was always trading pips difference.

Here is the evidence.Go read all the threads almost 25 of them

StrategyBuilderFX

StrategyBuilderFX

I pay coders I don't copy codes.If a coder copies Igorad's codes and sells to me I THINK THAT IS WRONG AND I WILL REMOVE THOSE EAS from my portfolio.I meet many cowboy coders here who are just hacks and I do not like using them.

I will protect coders and other people's work from plagiarism .All my copyright property made for me can be distributed freely without any questions from anybody.The programmers take money from me upfront and send me completed crappy jobs maybe they are just hacks ,I do not know!

I have a vision of selling EAS and working with all the top developers like Igorad,Kalenzo and many others

If I take anything by mistake I will give it back.

If I sell 5 EAS * $125 *6 = $3,750.I already paid coders more than $5,000
and I may not get any money back

El Cid

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Here is another of my systems where we use breakout on moving average cross plus 50 pips.INVENTION OF MOVING AVERAGE CROSS + BREAKOUT PLUS PIPS.This was invented by me before I came to ForexTSD

StrategyBuilderFX

eL cID

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