and one more thing to the association with jtrader (or whatever his name was) and to oilcid...

this seems like a group of guys who got successful with their setups...

...now lets see...jtraderco is like 26 year old guy. he coulnd't get too successful, or at least what his ego considers successful. I've bought his system and I even didnt get it as I was suppposed to. not complete, with like 20 indicators he didn't know how to use. he was just scalping the market and those indicators just gave him more confidence and I basically think his setup is not tradable, not worth of buying for 1500 cause he was clearly not going by the setup but using discretionary self made always changing rules. that is just dumbass and if I have a bit of free time I will spare that to make that guy pay for his amateurism (presenting system with set rules and some results and when confronted saying system has discretionary elements ...mostly that have nothing to do with the system) and then presenting entries on public that are based on so called "system")... I will bring that further to competent bodies and authorities, cause the guy just doesn't know and is lucky.

with fxigor...he understands the indicators. zigzag is dynamic indicator and you got to know how to use it. but if his method doesn't require some extra year experience and everyone can do it just by having to watch a bit then fine. igor has 11 years trading experience... what I can't say about f.e. jtrader. so you got to know how to use the zigzag with repeating balls...HA does a lot...and with this kind of system...just a good constelation of these makes fine trades. to come up with such system requires a bit more knowledge and experience to say...yes...you can do that... and it's far more different than jtrader system... who haven't had a clue about the indicators (really) and just used what others gave him or he seemed was the best. so igor might have a point here... we might use this setup. it might be one of the better from forextsd etc... but you have to have certain knowledge of markets and know that zigzag is dynamic and if it flips...you might be on a wrong side. exits and all that are all based on market experience.

elcid is the master of everything, but I just haven't seen anything from him. I'm really curious how he will develop. we're waiting cid...

I really can't judge Igor... from what you've mentioned...don't put him between the other two... from his setups he knows more he is doing then them. I repeat...haven't seen him trade and you also have to acknowledge this is system trading so no emotions or much market knowdledge is neccessary...

we'll see...




GL & GT

The reason for the fee is mostly ego based, judging by this quote:-

"But I have second toughts on doing this.
With the 100% free webinar that I gave friday there were at some point 59 people in the room. When I finished the webinar +/- 10-15 people thanked me afterworths. That means that more then 40 people walked out of the room and thought or felt that it is absolutly normall that they receive a GOOD trading system for free. No need at all to say thanks.
I talked with arctic and he said that during the seminar he had asked people to vote for this topic. He said that before the webinar we had already 17 votes. After the webinar we had 34 votes. So 17 people took the effort to give "something" back. That means again more then 40 people didn't think or feel it was even nescessary to show a thank you in the form of a simple vote.

So I decided to keep my improvements in the privat group that I plan to start in october.
As I said in a previous posting here on this topic, if you walk in a bar and ask a simple glass of water you pay in my country 1.50€.
If I think what I pay monthly for my movie channel or cell phone or internet connection or any other subscription then I feel stupid why people would not pay for quality or for something that RETURNS money
If people are willing to pay for it I know that they will appreciate what they receive. For free is just for free and nearly no appreciation what so ever.
I know that a lot of people think or feel: why do we always have to pay for something in this forex world. But I have the feeling why do all those people want to have everything for free in this trading world.
I also know that a lot of people feel disapointed because they have already payed for many things without any return.
Remember there is information out there and there is valuable information."


...only 10-15 people thanked you afterwards???...get some backbone.

In a nutshell....Igor wants payment for his 'ideas' yet at the same time he has no respect for his audience. For example, he makes statements like..."I don't stand in line to get a system from someone else as you do."

To even make that statement gives a glaringly obvious insight into the way the man thinks...a clear implication he has no respect for any of his members.

Still....if the 59 members join for 85euros per month for only 1 yr it's an easy little 60K nest egg. Very nice!!

This part is pointless as you can see from the quote.

This part isn't pointless! Thanks!

I think those who want to join should be given downloadable materials for studying so they won't slow down everybody else much. Its true that "seminars" cost (even in my country) around $500-800. "VIP seminars" start from $1500. Igor asks for $120 (euro 85) per month, a small fee for profit.

I've seen some of Igor's videos. A good base for everyday scalping.
Yeah, there always are better approaches to trading. But where are they?
mpower only criticizes, he doesn't teach others his approach. He doesn't share his systems neither for free nor for 85 euro. He said he was ahead with his system but he didn't provide his system or a link to his system so we could give it a try.

Gramski. Try teaching people some valuable knowledge for free without receiving a simple "thanks" in the end. You won't feel good either. Look at 85 euro as a filter - it filters out people who want a free working system and keeps those who want to study something new and ready to pay a small fee for that.

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MQL4 programming is easy ^^

It could be interpreted the other way around. The webinar may have filtered out the people who actually know about trading.

The way I see it - people, who do not want to learn anything new, are not forced to pay 85 euro per month.

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MQL4 programming is easy ^^

Hi Igor, I don't mind paying for what you have worked for.
But why you have to charge for such a high price 85 Euro?
That is a lot of money for my country.
If you could lower your pricing then I think more people will join your group.

Thanks!

Peace ??...

In every posting you make, you only show your frustration and making claims based on nothing else then lies.

My story (underbuild and with the nescessary proof of previous postings of you):
I introduced my the TSR system. Wich I said from the very beginning is a DISCRETIONARY system.
From the very beginning when I opend the paltalk room on the TSR system to give support I made it very clear that it would never be my intention to give live calls on TSR but to help people to become better traders.
I said from the very beginning that TSR is no garantee what so ever to make you a trader that will trade for a living.
I said from the very beginning that if only 1 out of 10 people is a succesfull trader that MAYBE with TSR that can turn into 2 out of 10 people.
I said from the very beginning that if people want to claim profits in the paltalk room they need to post their entry and exits live and not claiming after the facts that you made such and such profit because that is not helping the room and one can claim after the facts whatever he wants.
OR if someone doesn't find the time to make call the trades live that he has to post his profits and entrys and exits after the facts with printscreens of his trading platform.
You were one of those people that made a lot of claims after the facts.
The moment that I introduced that rule you suddenly stopped posting or claiming profits.
I on the other hand have posted every day when I claimed making profits the printscreens of my profits and or losses in the trading room.
I showed and PROOVED 2 weeks ago to you by posting printscreens of my account ( again after your claims that I am not profitable and have no privat fund and an other lot of blah blah) that with TSR, I turned my subaccount of my privat fund from 205.000$ into 450.000$ (between january the 8th and may 31)
Severall of those printscreen can still be checked on the original TSR topic.

FXiGoR-(T_S_R) very effective Trend Slope Retracement system

Never ever did you proof any profability of making money true a real account.
You have posted 2 times a little printscreen of a few trades without any account balance to check or any starting point and ending point of that day.
And for all the same those printscreens were taking from the internet from someone else.

The trades that you took true TSR trading were most of the times 2-3 bars to late in the market. I told you severall times that you need to enter more accurate. That if you enter every time 2-3 bars to late in the market you will not be profitable because that would eat up your profit.

After making mistakes after mistakes and me pointing this out of you, you had enough of it because you felt rediculized in the paltalk room.

After that you started your hate campaign in the strategybuilderFX.com forum. Based on frustration and bitterness.
Here a 2 of your postings that show proof of that.

1) Your frustrations are driven by the fact that you left your job to trade (based on a discretionary method as TSR (were I said very clearly that the reults based on TSR will highly depend on the trader or person who is using it.



2)Then other frustrations started to creep in you because you secretly hoped to follow all my improvements (TSR ADVANCED) while you were trowing crap at me but it was not to be because one needed to pay for the improvements and that was certainly not something that you wanted to do (give money to iGoR ! )

Till very recently you were still sitting in my paltalk room under other names to listen what I had to say or teach or where I could be your mentor. (you gave proof of that).

Because of people like you, who only abuse me, I decided to go privat.
But I take it a lot furder then the paltalk room.
I give people now an advanced system that is 100% mecanical. NO DISCRETION what so ever. The profits that are made over the last week can be duplicated with a 100% reliable backtest.

So people don't have the frustration that I can make money but that they are left out. But that cost a little bit of money.
And I say a little bit of money.
My son needs additional classes on maths.
He has to go to a teacher who gives privat lessons the wednesday afternoon (after school). I pay 10€ per hour for those lessons. He goes 4 hours each wednesday and that every week. I gladely pay 160€ per month (16 hours) so maybe he could learn from this. And I know in the back of my head that he will maybe never need these kind of maths.
So if I ask someone 85€ for a WHOLE month and talking and teaching 10hours /day (220hours) so he could realy make money then that is very very small money.
On top of that I gave people the garantee that if we would not make 85pips at the end of the month they have their money back or the have the next month for free. I don't know of any such garantees from fxcruiser nore steinutz nore jtrader nore anyone else.
That garantee that I give is to show people that I am not in this for the money. That the people who descide to join the trading group don't own me anything if I can't give them anything back. Money talks bullshit walks.

So in making claims you are very strong (based on lies). In giving proof you are zero.
I don't make any claims what so ever how much a system can or could make but I am strong in giving proof. (aspecially on the profits I made in the past as those that the trading group will make in the future)

Some other posting to proof your mental instability.
http://www.forex-tsd.com/52430-post103.html
This posting is a very interesting one. Not what you wrote about the profits but about the heiken ashi. You find them misleading but now you go to topics like the bouncing pip to strongly sujest that they should use the heiken ashi bars as a filter. Were in this posting you proof that you don't understand them or never used them that you were introduced by them because of me.

An other interesting post from you that proofs your mental instability (how profitable the TSR system was: READ!: backtests that are as objective as they can be!!!:
http://www.forex-tsd.com/54155-post131.html
If in real tradin you could not make any money anymore because you always entered to late in the market then that is your fault and not TSR is to be blamed. You sucked as a trader not the method.
Give a pencil and a piece of paper to a specific person and he will make the most beautifull drawing. Give the same to a 3 year old and we all know the result.

For all the same I could ask newdigital to remove your posting as I asked to remove all the distructive postings from the zorro topic ( were you had a big hand in) that had nothing to do with the system itself.
So you gave your side of the story based on assumptions false claims, lies and frustration. I gave my vision underbuild and with proof. Any furder postings of you that have nothing to do with the trading group itself, I gonna ask newdigital to remove them.

iGoR

PS. If you want to give your opinion or trow-up your frustrations go to this topic : http://www.forex-tsd.com/non-related...d-scammer.html

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Succes comes with knowledge. Knowledge comes with experience. Experience comes with time and hard work... (iGoR)
To avoid a lot of false trades ask yourself the question:...Am I desperatly looking for a trend because I want to trade...or am I taking a trade because the trend is there...(iGoR)

Whatever you choose to do to distort the truth, you can twist and turn until you make it work--digging out my sarcastic posts, early backtests, suggestions for filters in other threads.... Whatever.... I gave people my honest opinion, from here on I am done arguing/debating/talking with or about you as I said in my previous post.
Good luck!!!!

People who realy KNOW about trading don't need me.

Nope it filtered out the people who DEMAND that information should be free and think that my ideas should be public property.

A lot of people here and other forums look at the markets as their enemy. And think we should all join forces and share ideas and help eachother for FREE so we can beat that enemy. For free because they have already so little money to spare.

But the problem is that it is always the same people who GIVE help and it is always the same people who DEMAND to be helped for FREE.


Someone who has that little money ( a 1000$ account) will never look to a 85€ (120$) subscription as small money. Why ?...
Because even if I help him to make EVERY month 10%!! then he would make 100$ and that is even not enough to pay for the subscription...not to talk about some money left for him

Someone who starts of with an account of at least 10.000€-15.000€ will see this as paying ONLY 0.85%. And still he has the garantee if we would not make any money that he gets his money back or next month for free.

Those kind of people who trade with normall lots and trade from normall accounts, laugh (in a good way) with my garantee. Because even if they make ONLY 85 pips at the end of the month they have earned themself 85 x 10$ = 850$.

The problem is that FX with all these mini and micro accounts and free MT4 platforms attracked the wrong people.
People who have nothing to look or to search for in trading but should pick up a normall job for many years and come back if they have a serious amount of money to trade from ( I was 9 years a real estate agent before I descided to start trading) even dow I wanted to trade when I was 17years old.

People who drive a BMW or Merc. don't complain if they blow up their engine.
People who have to ride with a bicycle complain already if they have a flat tire....
It is all in perception.....

regards...iGoR

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Succes comes with knowledge. Knowledge comes with experience. Experience comes with time and hard work... (iGoR)
To avoid a lot of false trades ask yourself the question:...Am I desperatly looking for a trend because I want to trade...or am I taking a trade because the trend is there...(iGoR)

Indeed mpower. That is why I told you already so many times in the past, if you post something do it based on facts or to the point or about the topic itself even if they are negative and don't post your feelings or frustrations or crap or lies or assumptions or sarcastic bullshit (that maybe later can be used against you)...
People start to know you as someone who posts whatever comes in his head or how he feels ONLY to start a fight. So think twice before you post something and do it based on facts about some system or method or results or rules and do it with proof not your opinion.
Your opinion nore mine is worth anything it is only facts that count. Results results results.

Thank you for wishing me luck...the same goes for you (that is most probably ment sarcasticly for both of us)...

regards..iGoR

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Succes comes with knowledge. Knowledge comes with experience. Experience comes with time and hard work... (iGoR)
To avoid a lot of false trades ask yourself the question:...Am I desperatly looking for a trend because I want to trade...or am I taking a trade because the trend is there...(iGoR)