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Success comes with knowledge. Knowledge comes with experience. Experience comes with time and hard work... (iGoR) MT Intelligence - Stats for fxigor1
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Success comes with knowledge. Knowledge comes with experience. Experience comes with time and hard work... (iGoR) MT Intelligence - Stats for fxigor1
This is a nice result. And people in the room know that this results should even be bigger because of severall trades I have not added because or reasons known in the trading group.
Also monday was not included in those results because the trading group started only tuesday.
Monday "would have" produced nice profits.
regards...nice weekend and to be continued
iGoR
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Success comes with knowledge. Knowledge comes with experience. Experience comes with time and hard work... (iGoR) MT Intelligence - Stats for fxigor1
This past week, Igor & the other members have spent countless hours learning and fine tuning the system.
For those that are 'concerned' that the person running this show might be doing this for the subscription fees - you are incorrect. A minimum of ten hours a day (it's actually 12 to 14 hours) is spent on us... that's 20 days / month x 10 hours... minumum of 200 hours / 85 Euros = .425 Euros/hour
A typical 'canned' seminar would run you about $75/hr and you'll have LITTLE if any chance to ask your questions... much less would the person running the seminar care if you understand anything or NOT. I was going to go to the one in Vegas - that would have run me $1200 USD minimum - I might have learned a few things about charts and this and that, but I am positive it would not compare to this.
Make no mistake - join the group only if you really have time to dedicate to the group.
Honestly, I think that the only way that a group can progress is in the direction it is going now. It is like a SHIP that must leave the port & not pick up new passenger's each day (slowing down the other passengers not to mention wearing the skipper out)... the only way to do that is with the subscription & with a window of opportunity at the beginning of each month to take on new members.
I would just like to note, that this fees questioning is really dumbest thing you guys can do. We're in the COMMERCIAL SECTION. I think Igor is one of those 5% honest and profitable traders and providers here, but for those who are new, they have to ask the questions of course. But for all those who are not happy about 85EUR fee...
...this room takes place like from 8am until 8-10pm. Let's say they make f.e. 500 pips a month on average in the room. This leaves you trading 5 full days a week. Now explain me how can you be complaining about the fee... If you would be trading this with 0.1 lots... you would make like $500 per month. If you're a full time trader... $500 will not cover your living expenses and it's hard to consider someone full time trader if trading with 0.1 lot. Then this room isn't really for you, eventually forex isn't. You should get some more money first to be able to trade so this all makes sense. Forex is no quick get rich scheme (at least for 95%) and if you have like $2000 on your account...please grow up and consider all the factors before you say something stupid and have someone who is doing really great job to feel bad for you. Now if you trade with at least 1 lot, 500 pips results into $5000 what should cover your minimum standard and living confort needs.
So if you take this seriously...consider that fee as some filter for all those who are not able to understand a reall value of things and for those who should approach to the forex trading with more seriousness.
No problem my friend..I don't force you in anything. You can do or think whatever you want and get your information the same way
Exactly, everybody is free to do whatever they want, everybody is free to make their choices in life... So, seriously all this bashing threads/posts to warn new traders of potential scammers are simply useless... Everybody has a head on their shoulders and should be able to judge what is useful for them or what is not...
So, here is my story...
I joined Igor's trading room one year ago. It seemed to me like he knows a lot about trading and he is a true professional. I listened to his countless hours of explanations about HMA's, candlestick patterns--it is funny he calls HA candles Doji's and stuff, "bad" markets, price action. I did my homework. I did extensive backtests and realized that TSR gives a boatload of false signals, on top of that it was a system that had no clearly defined targets for exits, and soon enough I realized that my mentor has no clue of what the market was doing and where it was heading. He was scalping for a few pips based on the feel of the market that he had developed from watching the charts day in and day out. Problem was he could not explain why he would enter or exit trades. Anyways, I did not see anybody making real money while I was in his room. I took trades based on my own fibo analysis, Igor's retracements rules(which although useful in spotting retracements were way too late to enter trades making stops way too big most of the time) and I was ahead; I wasn't making a fortune but I was ahead. So, at some point I was talking about levels and direction of the market in the trading room, and I was wrong; so Igor slammed me for trying to tell the direction of the market and said that the market is always right. Fair enough, that was true, but I was just disgusted with the way he treats people so I left the room. Then, I posted about the inefficiencies of his system like late entries, no exit rules, no respect for fibo and s/r levels based on hi/los, just relying on indies, etc. He reacted in his usual rude way to preserve his EGO. he was PISSED. I just had some fun arguing with him because he is a FUNNY guy with an old-fashioned way of thinking.
Then commercial threads like Steinz's, jtraderco emerged and those people were successful in marketing their products. So, people like Igor and El Cid decided that if "idiots" can sell balloons they can definitely sell their quality stuff that was created with so much effort on their part. On top of that, EJ/fxcruiser showed people that it is possible to trade the markets profitably consistently using coventional tools, discipline, and creativity, he showed that in his humble way, giving his logic in a clean simple format using charts with explanations and not 1000 hours of audio/video files. He charges a selected group of traders a small quarterly fee that goes to charity, he is very patient and listens to what people have to say, he continuously helps and coaches people in their trading endeavors....
Now Igor was really determined to find the market turning points by developing a zigzag that "shows the last leg of a given move" So he was "buzzy" developing this indicator and he did not even trade for the million euro private fund just for the sake of the future billions of profits in store. Then he emerged again with "a basic version" of the "Zorro" system for the masses, then he said sorry, this is useless, if you want to get the real stuff that works you have to pay. I pay 1.50 euro for a glass of water in Belgium LOL and the poll above LOL
So, the moral of the story....Igor can do whatever he wants, open a paid trading room, charge whatever he wants--he has done it in a proper way, in the commercial section(although that was the most inadequate marketing I have seen in my life, perhaps Steinz can help here), it is up to the people to decide weather to join/pay, then decide weather they were helped in their endeavors. To me Igor will always be an average trader, with average systems, with big EGO. I really don't think he is trying to scam people, he is a good guy, with a good old school sense of humor, just a bit stubborn. he gives his best to teach and help people but unfortunately his best will not be good enough for some. Well, well this was my finale talking/arguing/debating with or about Igor....Wish everybody best of luck and continuous success in whatever they do.
Peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well I can't comment on this since I'm not a subscriber yet, but your post was much clarifying. On he other side... most successful traders are successful with the most simple setup there is, but they just have a feel of the market.
To post some negative things I see...I don't like graphical side of zorro system, but as you know that is highly individual. bar trend is just heikien ashi and I don't like it in that way. so I've modified it to thickest bar color and made all colors one. just really graphical modifications. I can't judge, to what was posted in terms of system quality. I really don't think I should be commenting further. this is commercial section. let this thing sell and we'll see. but I'm clearly against people *****ing about 85 eur if room made something over 300 pips in 4 days and someone can prove it. hard work but well worth it.
If people can make 500 pips a month in that room... then it's well worth of it and I suggest that to everyone, cause what we might think about the setup isn't setup true quality. so let's see how it goes further
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