alexq,

You are fully right. I am agree with you.
But i want to explain my vision.

What is our forum?
1. Public Forum (forum itself);
2. Elite section;
3. Server where I am testing EAs for elite section.
So it is our tsd forum. Elite section is not my personal one. It's related to the forum. And the server is not mine. It's related to the forum as well. Administrators/moderators may be coming and going away. But our forum will always have public sections, elite section and the server for testing.

Ok.
Next, look at the threads about elite section on this public forum (in this public forum).
It is in the beginning of the threads. So it was opinion ...

Well.
Next step. Look at Pelele's thread which i closed. What the members asked (the other opinion ...)?

So it was the story.

I will not clarify anything. I just talking about my feeling.

To understand the situation changing I created this poll.
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Of course nobody will send commercial mql4 codes for me.
And what can I evaluate ...
Sorry but I will never take any responsibility for commercial selling/buying. But if I can help - so it is ok. Why not?
Any system or EA may be posted without evaluation if I will not have time to "evaluate". We may do it in flexible way.

But i can do something in this case. For example any selling should be well prepared. What do I mean?
- I mean the selling of EAs based on backtesting results only is not good.
- it should be proven (by any way selected by seller)
- trading system should be described a little. For example: "EA based on breakout", or "trend follower".
- broker, deposit size and risk should be mentioned.
- it should be mentioned weak and strong aspects of commercial system. But usually the sellers are talking about strong aspects only. Weak aspects should be mentioned by sellers (not by me and not by buyers after buying).
- If the seller is just started EA creation and just started some other service - it should be mentioned as well (experience).
- no any agressive selling and agressive promotion (repeated posts and so on).

And so on.

Generally there are few good threads in commercials section.
I am talking about how the other people are selling.
So they may teach the other sellers about how to sell.

As a result of this poll i will have a right to accept or not some new commercial threads. Sometimes the sellers were sending the message to me: "why you ... f ... deleted ... i am good seller ... but you are .. Do not do it anymore ...".
So in this case I will send the seller to this thread with poll to speak with members of this forum (but not with me).

Because any administrator is doing everything what the people want.

Just want to say that poll is fully opened.
Please participate.

Why?
It will help me.
Yes, just me.

ND, these are excellent ideas that should be implemented. The commercial section should be moderated. However i'm not too sure about the Admin testing each commercial product first. I think that if they include there product as long as it abides by the rules stated above, then it should be a matter of "buyer beware" rather then you single handedly testing each and every commercial product out there. Great work though ND, moderating this site must be very difficult in general!

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ND, please review the private messages I sent you about listing a commercial
program as soon as possible.

Thanks,
Emerson

Just want to remind about the poll. Please vote. Why? because I am getting messages from the people who bought something from the scams.
Just think that it may be growing and the next victim of the scams may be you! We never know (never say never). So if the members want to protect themselves so please vote. Or give/post some other suggestion.

Do you know which messages I am getting on my PM from sellers if the sellers feel that something is preventing them from making money? I even can not post those messages ... because of abusive language.

And do you know that I am getting the messages from simple members of this forum who bought something: "please, ND, help me to get money back from ... seller because he is scam".

And there are honest sellers who need some protection of course.

Just imagine: one day the victims of the scams will be more than sellers in this forum!

Please vote.

P.S. Just edited this post to say something more.
Honest sellers may ask me: "There are no so much possibility in the forum for commercial ... "
I may answer: there are a lot possibility on this forum for commercial subject:
1. Any member have a right to have the section if his/her system was developed enough and if he/she supported this forum a lot. Originators of the sections may do anything (including commercial of course) because it is his/her place.
2. the other way is to open commercial thread in this commercial section.

ND, no one can dispute that you work hard and do a good job running the forum.

But lately a lot of crooks and con men have joined the forum.

Look at the eBook threads

Toto 21 got people to send him eBooks and had no intention of swapping them. Yet he is still allowed on the forum (and maybe to still advertise these books under other nic’s)

Also links for a site selling copies and pirated eBooks, they are making money of the work of others. It maybe ok to swap a book with your friends.
But to openly SELL copies of other peoples work is pretty low.

So get some help if you need it, The sheriff needs some deputies to clean up and run the scum out of town.

Mart

I was not talking about ebooks. I was talking about EAs/systems selling.

But I agree with you. And I need a help. Because of course i am visiting all the threads and see all the posts. But it is difficult recognize for me as well who is scam and who is not.

To say a true I was the reason that commercial section was created on this forum. But it was created under some rules. And nobody follows this rules. What is why i am worry so much about it.

Do you remember how comfortable we work/visiting this forum without commercial section?

As to Toto21 so it is insinuation. I understand that many people are re-selling some ebooks without any authors' permission. But on the other hand many authors are having affiliates who are having the right to re-sell. And Toto21 is having many nics on our forum under the same IP address and not all "his" nics is Toto21. I mean that not all the nics under his IP address are real Toto21.

I think the sellers of ebook should clarify and should sell ebooks. And they should establish good contact with me.

You may wonder but there are no any good communication/contacts between real sellers (e-books or any) and me. If something wrong they are posting warning message to me. That's all communication. Do you know what the warning messages means? I even can not post them in the forum. Why they are posting? because they feel that something is preventing them from making money.

I started this forum from zero one year ago. It was 3 members from the beginning and few threads about Brainwashing in that time. Now we have good developed forum. So they feel that they have a right to use my job, to use the other people's job who developed this forum to sell something? And they may think: "ok, those people did great job for us and they developed very good forum for us to sell anything ...".

There is some rules. But nobody follows.

Simple banning the people can not solve any problem because people may register using the other IP address on the same computer (there are a lot of free softwares about how to do it - one nick from US, the other nick from Russia and so on using the same PC and the same location: Toto21 - one nick from Cuba, the other nick from Israel, the 3rd nick from US, the 4th nick from some arab country ... and almost the same IP).

I really need a help in this subject.

Now we have good situation with the sections: originators of the sections (Nina, Codersguru and kamyar) may do anything in their section including selling). And as you know some other people are candidates to have a section. We know all of them.

But what to do with this commercial section? It is the problem.

If they don't agree with my evaluation they may have some other well-known people who will say that their systems/EAs are good and should be posted in commercial section.

Edited:
BTW the documentation section is not commercial. I am talking about commercial section only. As to documentation section so it is nothing to do there. Just to delete the threads. It is exactly what i am doing every week.

Newdigital and all readers,

This forum is a great place and I don't like to see people scammed. The only thing I'm pissed at is, when something is a complete scam. I don't like to see such things on any forum and I would prefer if moderators could prevent it. I got scammed on this forum, feel like it. I have no problem to buy something if it makes what it is advertised to do. But usually reallity is different. So for this reason, it should be moderated.

It's kinda question of to be or not to be. It's still only a medium, that carries information. People are sollely responsible for posting, not forum creators. But as far as freedom of speech goes...f.e. no public forum could support racism or fascism fore example. If it would, it would be illegal. Also I don't know any forum that would support burglars and robbers. If it's a forum where such individuals tend to accumulate more often as they feel opportunity of easy steal, then it should be controlled to prevent such individualls to be given such opportunity.

Create your website and post your crap there then. You don't have to sell it here if you don't want it to be reviewed first by respectable member. This has to somehow be independent and transparent. Test and review results of moderators have to be posted, once approved and gets thru then it can be sold.

There are two threads and systems on this forum that I've bought. GBPUSD hourly system from forextrades...this was totall scam. I think if we got admin to look at it first, then results could be comparable to what he posted and I'm sure nobody would buy that system.

Another thread is GBPJPY system that I've bought. Original strategy consist of two indicators, MACD and RSI (little bit modified settings) and some rules. The results posted...you have to know trade like that. It's not strategy rules that achieve such results. I think if you write EA so trades get executed like exact rules given, it's another scam on this forum.

So moderator should acknowledge whether system is good enough to be sold. Somehow has to say no to these systems (guys I could make thousands on systems if I started to sell them here this way, and probably even could do this normally, have some good ones) and who else than moderator.

So another thrad or subthread to commercial trading systems should be created. COMMERCIAL TRADING SYSTEMS REQUESTS. Once request is placed, moderator has to evaluate and post whether it's good enough to be sold on this forum and if not, give reasons for not allowing it and a right to seller to express his opinion about refusing to prevent saying something like that (it's the first response from forextrades to my question on what he thinks of opinions placed in GBPUSD system thread): "The recent posts on forex-tsd are from a competitor who is selling a different EA, and that person has violated copyright laws and bought my EA so he could distribute it amongst his buddies."....not to give seller right to make another excuses

Regards.

Newdigital and all readers,

This forum is a great place and I don't like to see people scammed. The only thing I'm pissed at is, when something is a complete scam. I don't like to see such things on any forum and I would prefer if moderators could prevent it. I got scammed on this forum, feel like it. I have no problem to buy something if it makes what it is advertised to do. But usually reallity is different. So for this reason, it should be moderated.

It's kinda question of to be or not to be. It's still only a medium, that carries information. People are sollely responsible for posting, not forum creators. But as far as freedom of speech goes...f.e. no public forum could support racism or fascism fore example. If it would, it would be illegal. Also I don't know any forum that would support burglars and robbers. If it's a forum where such individuals tend to accumulate more often as they feel opportunity of easy steal, then it should be controlled to prevent such individualls to be given such opportunity.

Create your website and post your crap there then. You don't have to sell it here if you don't want it to be reviewed first by respectable member. This has to somehow be independent and transparent. Test and review results of moderators have to be posted, once approved and gets thru then it can be sold.

There are two threads and systems on this forum that I've bought. GBPUSD hourly system from forextrades...this was totall scam. I think if we got admin to look at it first, then results could be comparable to what he posted and I'm sure nobody would buy that system.

Another thread is GBPJPY system that I've bought. Original strategy consist of two indicators, MACD and RSI (little bit modified settings) and some rules. The results posted...you have to know trade like that. It's not strategy rules that achieve such results. I think if you write EA so trades get executed like exact rules given, it's another scam on this forum.

So moderator should acknowledge whether system is good enough to be sold. Somehow has to say no to these systems (guys I could make thousands on systems if I started to sell them here this way, and probably even could do this normally, have some good ones) and who else than moderator.

So another thrad or subthread to commercial trading systems should be created. COMMERCIAL TRADING SYSTEMS REQUESTS. Once request is placed, moderator has to evaluate and post whether it's good enough to be sold on this forum and if not, give reasons for not allowing it and a right to seller to express his opinion about refusing to prevent saying something like that (it's the first response from forextrades to my question on what he thinks of opinions placed in GBPUSD system thread): "The recent posts on forex-tsd are from a competitor who is selling a different EA, and that person has violated copyright laws and bought my EA so he could distribute it amongst his buddies."....not to give seller right to make another excuses

Regards.

Your suggestion is good. But if the sellers is sending everything to me (or to anybody) for evaluation so it will be limitation for the members to sell something.

But I think we should not discuss anything with the sellers who were rejected to post in commercial section. Because any discussion is as promotion for them. There are experience traders and there are not very experienced. So ... you know...

But I want to say that if the systems/EAs are evaluated before posting so it will increase the popularity/income of the seller. And this commecial section will be more valuable.

And I want to ask once again: please vote (you see the poll on the top of the thread).