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Old 10-03-2007, 01:19 PM
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Thx for Interesting links

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Thx a lot for the interesting links you posted here. it really helps finding good MQL developers.

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So give me a completion date,upfront payment price for who job including ownership of copyright.

THere will be certain additional conitions to be added to the EA Logic

I alrady have two good coders working on 5 EAS for me ,and one does not ask for payment upfront but he is busy with my other EAS now

Most of my other coder are turning me down on upfront paid jobs cause they are busy with full time jobs.

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My completion date is always given in a quote (it is stated on my site).

Please explain why you want copyrights on the source code? This seriously lowers assets of my company therefore I must ask for additional compensation. Selling you copyrights of my source code puts me likely out of business as I would be unable to sell my work anymore. It will give you right to publish it everywhere giving away all my competitive edge. I am afraid that this means no business between us unless your compensation will be adequate, say 12 months profits of my company.

My full time job is my software company, these others you are referring are hobbyist programmers, not professionals.
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My completion date is always given in a quote (it is stated on my site).

Please explain why you want copyrights on the source code? This seriously lowers assets of my company therefore I must ask for additional compensation. Selling you copyrights of my source code puts me likely out of business as I would be unable to sell my work anymore. It will give you right to publish it everywhere giving away all my competitive edge. I am afraid that this means no business between us unless your compensation will be adequate, say 12 months profits of my company.

My full time job is my software company, these others you are referring are hobbyist programmers, not professionals.
Michal

I pay the programmers for their time and ask them to compile my systems ........not your system .I can not distribute these EAS if I do not own the copyrights and can not recover my costs .

If your company profits are $70,000 usd or more ,do u expect people to pay that type of money?

My company profits are more than above figure and those sorts of profits are norm for very small western hemisphere companies

I wish you all the luck

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Michal

I pay the programmers for their time and ask them to compile my systems ........not your system .I can not distribute these EAS if I do not own the copyrights and can not recover my costs .

If your company profits are $70,000 usd or more ,do u expect people to pay that type of money?

My company profits are more than above figure and those sorts of profits are norm for very small western hemisphere companies

I wish you all the luck

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So what is the correct price of putting some other company out of business?
IMHO you deal up to now only with hobbyist programmers and have no idea about software. Are you using Microsoft software? Go ask them for copyrights, or at least source code .
My company profits you can find in the Dutch tax office.
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I pay the programmers for their time and ask them to compile my systems ........not your system .I can not distribute these EAS if I do not own the copyrights and can not recover my costs .
You can distribute EAS without owning copyrights for the source code. Just like GNU is distributing. GNU requires always to add source code when using GNU license, I'm requiring just opposite, don't redistribute the source code. This is all. The only instance that you will need copyrights for my source code is when you would perform the same business as I'm doing. This is what I do not allow to. (suppose you have a big client who orders by you EA and you find a cheep programmer who does the job and you sell the software to the big guy. This is illegal with me.)
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So give me a completion date,upfront payment price for who job including ownership of copyright.

THere will be certain additional conitions to be added to the EA Logic

I alrady have two good coders working on 5 EAS for me ,and one does not ask for payment upfront but he is busy with my other EAS now

Most of my other coder are turning me down on upfront paid jobs cause they are busy with full time jobs.

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You can be sure that I will also turn you down with no upfront payment. People change their specs before you even start. They do it all the time and its a big waist of other clients time.
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You can be sure that I will also turn you down with no upfront payment. People change their specs before you even start. They do it all the time and its a big waist of other clients time.
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Better to hire coders where payments are protected and

Before Rent A Coder, many companies had to make non-refundable up-front payments to coders to hire them. This often resulted in 'dead-beat' coders making off with deposits, and buyers being left with nothing but empty promises and empty wallets


3) How do I pay the coder?

After you accept a buyer's bid, you submit the bid amount to an escrow account via credit card, PayPal, postal mail check or bank to bank wire transfer (wire transfer involves a small surcharge to cover our expenses). Only after you receive the deliverables and approve them, will the escrowed funds be transferred to the coder. This guarantees that the coder will work his or her hardest to get you the results that you asked for.
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We need performance bonds from coders after upfron payments are made ,and forget about parting with your own copyrights

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Please explain why you want copyrights on the source code? This seriously lowers assets of my company therefore I must ask for additional compensation. Selling you copyrights of my source code puts me likely out of business as I would be unable to sell my work anymore. It will give you right to publish it everywhere giving away all my competitive edge. I am afraid that this means no business between us unless your compensation will be adequate, say 12 months profits of my company.

My full time job is my software company, these others you are referring are hobbyist programmers, not professionals.
I think we're looking at this from different angles - but I really don't understand your position and why it seems so complicated.

So while I may have it wrong - for all practical purposes - I think I have it right.

When a trader contracts with you to code their "special recipe" of indicators or whatever - why do you believe that YOU would be entitled to anything beyond the coding fee and personal access to the EA?

It seems to me that it's very similar to asking you to translate a book that we wrote into a foreign language. We pay you a fee to do that. And that's the end of the story. It's our book, not yours.

Your task isn't to invent the foreign language. That already exists. It's simply to translate OUR work into that existing foreign language.

Now I understand that you've got a software company and everything going on - but as this thread surely demonstrates - we're in a global economy and I don't believe that your business model is going to allow you to be very competitive in this line of work, coding EA's.

There's a million analogies that apply to this situation. For example, if we record a song in your recording studio, it's still OUR song. But apparently with your business model, you intend to sell our "music" and cut us out of the loop?

We as traders are the artists here. You're merely providing a technical function that's, frankly, rather common. Although you do want to latch onto a good source when you find one.

Having said all that - it just goes to show once again that Optimu has demonstrated that he can easily, efficiently and cost-effectively meet the needs of probably 9 out of every 10 people wanting their EA coded.

Just don't crowd me out of his schedule please!
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I have a very bad experiment with RentACoder!
The owner of this forum know it very much.

When they steal my work Forexts asked me to write the MQL4 tutorials and to forget RentACoder! and this is how Allah changes your paths

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O K

Better to hire coders where payments are protected and

Before Rent A Coder, many companies had to make non-refundable up-front payments to coders to hire them. This often resulted in 'dead-beat' coders making off with deposits, and buyers being left with nothing but empty promises and empty wallets


3) How do I pay the coder?

After you accept a buyer's bid, you submit the bid amount to an escrow account via credit card, PayPal, postal mail check or bank to bank wire transfer (wire transfer involves a small surcharge to cover our expenses). Only after you receive the deliverables and approve them, will the escrowed funds be transferred to the coder. This guarantees that the coder will work his or her hardest to get you the results that you asked for.
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We need performance bonds from coders after upfron payments are made ,and forget about parting with your own copyrights

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Why don't we make something like RentACoder but for MQL4. Something Like RentAMQL4Coder??

Who want to work with me in such project?
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