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It is the thread where people are developing Neural Networks indicator for MT4. In Russian language, sorry.
- they started with some e-books and articles;
- then some library files for Delphi 4 (NeuralBase, Neural Network Wizard, GeneBase, SOMBase, WavUtils);
- then they coded many versions of indicator NeuroProba.mql4 (author is Rosh);
- then they tested it and found many bugs and mistakes in calculation.
This thread is not closed yet and seems they are continuing to development (it is necessary to register on their forum to see the attachments).
Besides I found this link about Neural Networks (in English).
It is the thread where people are developing Neural Networks indicator for MT4. In Russian language, sorry.
- they started with some e-books and articles;
- then some library files for Delphi 4 (NeuralBase, Neural Network Wizard, GeneBase, SOMBase, WavUtils);
- then they coded many versions of indicator NeuroProba.mql4 (author is Rosh);
- then they tested it and found many bugs and mistakes in calculation.
This thread is not closed yet and seems they are continuing to development (it is necessary to register on their forum to see the attachments).
Besides I found this link about Neural Networks (in English).
Awsome New Digital! Ill look at the material in a few minutes...gotta break out the russian..which isnt so great, but I think that coupled with AltaVista ill be able to make a decent attempt. Im currently coding in CORTEX on other Neural Networks (NN from now on) and im planning to convert into MQ4...I think we should DEFINATLY keep this thread going because (and this is an opinion) NN are THE future of tecnical anaylsis. NN's, for those who arent geek enough to know..are basically algorythms that mimic the brain (not nessisarily the human brain..cuz that would be Mind bustingly complicated) in that it learns as it goes. Im writing the EAs to give advice on whether or not to take a particular signal based on small patterns that have come before when a similer signal was given. Thats what most NN's do, they search data for small patterns that would be meaningless to us, or even other algorthms and see what those patterns do over time. The first EA will feature Brain Trend. I ask that everyone be patient though, CORTEX coding takes time...rather, it takes time to train the NNs and perfect them. If anyone here is familier with CORTEX or Code conversion, any help would be appreciated. I understand why russian forum would go commercial...NNs are the current style with big money traders. So...what do you guys say?
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i say take 2 moving averages,few sup-res lines and 1 or two filters and trade
if you can't make money of simple system like this than don't expect from some NN to make you rich
from my 3 years forex expirience i know how i would build perfect system but it will be long long coding...at leats 3 time frames to look,covering all possible situations ,range,trend...and then aplying few systems together to get perfect results
my advice to you is if you know how to trade than first trade,make money and one day when you have enaugh you can try to make NN
JUST JOKING but botom line you dont need some NN to make money trading
i spent second year of my trading making programms and testing dosens of systems and one day i realise i am not trading any of them and lot was good ,profitable....i had first to reprogramm my brain to avoid fear,greed...and to discipline myself (and lost almost 70% of my account during that time)
first find good system (there is several good here) make money ,learn and than try to teach this NN to trade this system or just make EA to autotrade for you and when you make enaugh money you can buy comercial NN
i say take 2 moving averages,few sup-res lines and 1 or two filters and trade
if you can't make money of simple system like this than don't expect from some NN to make you rich
from my 3 years forex expirience i know how i would build perfect system but it will be long long coding...at leats 3 time frames to look,covering all possible situations ,range,trend...and then aplying few systems together to get perfect results
my advice to you is if you know how to trade than first trade,make money and one day when you have enaugh you can try to make NN
JUST JOKING but botom line you dont need some NN to make money trading
i spent second year of my trading making programms and testing dosens of systems and one day i realise i am not trading any of them and lot was good ,profitable....i had first to reprogramm my brain to avoid fear,greed...and to discipline myself (and lost almost 70% of my account during that time)
first find good system (there is several good here) make money ,learn and than try to teach this NN to trade this system or just make EA to autotrade for you and when you make enaugh money you can buy comercial NN
I know what you mean! I spend months going over historical data for all kinds of indicators and systems...and the bottom line is that any number of them could make pips on any given trade. All im saying here is that it would be nice to have an INDIPENDANT system, that works in a DIFFERENT way to either confirm or deny what your indicator or system is telling you. I trade with Brain Trend, MTFMACD, MoneyMap (MQ4 version) and I do pretty well. But it would still be nice to have that secondary system running in the background to say "based on 15 years of historical data, this signal when occuring with this currency pair, in this time frame, with this volume, has proven to be unreliable, I cant advice this trade" Yes, some might call it overkill...but I call it having a FOREX pro wathcing over my shoulder. For as long as humans are creatures of habit and continue to create cycles (of any size) I would argue that this is what a well trained FOREX NN would be. I dont call that overkill if it keeps me from losing some chips.
Our experiances seem strikingly similer, though, im a newbie...just starting my second year as a trader trading with real money. I spent the last several months just going over indicators THAT I KNEW WORKED , and just spinning my wheels..for fear of making bad trades. But..I guess thats why I want to develope the NN...it doesnt know fear, and responds to market data the way no human can. They can find meaning in the smallest of price patterns...things that our ordinary indicators cant. If MQ4 indicators are binoculars..then the NN is the hubble. I think its worth developing here.
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Thanks NewDigital, I found a copy of neuroproba. It looks interesting.....I dont see any bugs in the MQ4 file, but without seeing the script for the NN I cant say if it is accurate or not...one reason people might have given up on it is that for it to do anything but show two horizontal lines (one red and one yellow, with the version I have) you have to set the StudyNumber to above 100. I tweaked it and got it to match the signals that Brain Trend gives. That setting is 200. Im not sure about the NN aspect of this indicator though. Do you possibly know where a copy of the script file for the NN might be floating around? Oh, and the second link you gave is to snowseed, where they talk about CORTEX, which is a very good freeware program for programming NNs. Thanks New Digital!
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Thanks NewDigital, I found a copy of neuroproba. It looks interesting.....I dont see any bugs in the MQ4 file, but without seeing the script for the NN I cant say if it is accurate or not...one reason people might have given up on it is that for it to do anything but show two horizontal lines (one red and one yellow, with the version I have) you have to set the StudyNumber to above 100. I tweaked it and got it to match the signals that Brain Trend gives. That setting is 200. Im not sure about the NN aspect of this indicator though. Do you possibly know where a copy of the script file for the NN might be floating around? Oh, and the second link you gave is to snowseed, where they talk about CORTEX, which is a very good freeware program for programming NNs. Thanks New Digital!
The two latest files from their thread seems ok: NeuroProba and KauffmanTrend (sorry I am not sure about the names - may be mistaket). The author (Rosh) said that it is possible to predict the price movement.
But suddenly he said that he did some mistake in calculation and stopped. I tried to find his posts on the other forums and the posts were about NN as well. So it is better, if you register on their forum to send message to him.
Russian forums are good indeed, there is a lot to learn there, but how to register there using English keyboard? Most of the communication there is in Russian language.
I tried to registrer few times in English, and when awaiting for confirmation, all I got was some unreadable scribble that was orignally mailed to me in Russian. How do you overcome this problem?
Russian forums are good indeed, there is a lot to learn there, but how to register there using English keyboard? Most of the communication there is in Russian language.
I tried to registrer few times in English, and when awaiting for confirmation, all I got was some unreadable scribble that was orignally mailed to me in Russian. How do you overcome this problem?
I just registered, that's all. Using English letters. Username and password in English as usually ...
BTW it is not difficult for me as I have Russian keyboard as well (i installed Russian letters in windows).
Just a question: do you know the meaning of your username?
Thanks NewDigital, I found a copy of neuroproba. It looks interesting.....I dont see any bugs in the MQ4 file, but without seeing the script for the NN I cant say if it is accurate or not...one reason people might have given up on it is that for it to do anything but show two horizontal lines (one red and one yellow, with the version I have) you have to set the StudyNumber to above 100. I tweaked it and got it to match the signals that Brain Trend gives. That setting is 200. Im not sure about the NN aspect of this indicator though. Do you possibly know where a copy of the script file for the NN might be floating around? Oh, and the second link you gave is to snowseed, where they talk about CORTEX, which is a very good freeware program for programming NNs. Thanks New Digital!
That's interesting ...actually I like indicator that act like human brain ...NN with backpropagation indicator is good one...+ fuzzy logic is more better I think ....
Thanks New digital ill look around and see if I can find those anywhere. It is strange, because I heard that neuro proba was supposed to predict the next bar's high and low (now THAT would be useful) but all it does is act as an oscillator. The two lines cross at zero, signaling a change from buyer to seller dominance or vise versa and you would enter on the next open. It might be useful as far as that goes...but its not a real NN applciation unless it learns as it goes by watching whether the signals it gives would have been profitable or not and adapting its logic accordingly....im going to place it in my EAs folder and see if it has any function there that I missed. Ill post the indicator though P, it might be a decent trend prediction indicator in any event. If this versioin doesnt compile let me know...I did some tweaking to it and some of the results were kinda screwy. But if thats not the right one I can find it
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